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09 Oct 2011, 4:24 pm

I just want a united Ireland so me family will stop bitching about it :wink:



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09 Oct 2011, 10:18 pm

I am not to well informed on the subject matter but it sounds like tequila is a little bit enthusiastic with national pride on the matter and that can divulge from factual data. I just want to know how you would know that MOST of the people want to remain in support of the U.K.? The same could go with Joker about national pride but I am just trying to learn what the situation with Ireland is right now.

I studied the atrocities that occurred with British cruelty toward the Irish when I had to do a research paper on an old Irish man character I played. I find if shocking at the world ignoring the plight of the Irish myself. I am really mixed but I think I descend mostly from the Irish. I do believe that Britain has learned from its past for the most part and if peaceful negotiations can be made then Ireland should become unified. I don't think they will not be able to survive though as the Irish are a tough resourceful people. Just my thoughts.



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09 Oct 2011, 10:39 pm

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I am not to well informed on the subject matter but it sounds like tequila is a little bit enthusiastic with national pride on the matter and that can divulge from factual data. I just want to know how you would know that MOST of the people want to remain in support of the U.K.? The same could go with Joker about national pride but I am just trying to learn what the situation with Ireland is right now.

I studied the atrocities that occurred with British cruelty toward the Irish when I had to do a research paper on an old Irish man character I played. I find if shocking at the world ignoring the plight of the Irish myself. I am really mixed but I think I descend mostly from the Irish. I do believe that Britain has learned from its past for the most part and if peaceful negotiations can be made then Ireland should become unified. I don't think they will not be able to survive though as the Irish are a tough resourceful people. Just my thoughts.


My friend that is a good question 8)



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11 Oct 2011, 11:51 am

If you want to gauge the sentiments of people living in Norther Ireland, then the ballot box is no bad place to start. The Assembly elects from eighteen six-member constituencies on the basis of STV. Presently, unionists outnumber nationalists in the Assembly by 56 - 43, with 9 "Others".

While 56 of 99 (or of 108) is not an overwhelming majority, it does suggest that in an "up-down" vote among the people actually concerned with the question, remaining in Union would still be the preferred option to joining the Republic.


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11 Oct 2011, 1:08 pm

The Catholic/Republican citizens of NI were burned out of their houses and otherwise terrorized by the lovely "Orange Order" and other loyalist paramilitary groups for decades. Many Republican families were forced to flee into the Republic to save their lives. With NI's native population largely displaced by violence, it seems unfair to poll those remaining about reunification.



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11 Oct 2011, 3:41 pm

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The Catholic/Republican citizens of NI were burned out of their houses and otherwise terrorized by the lovely "Orange Order" and other loyalist paramilitary groups for decades. Many Republican families were forced to flee into the Republic to save their lives. With NI's native population largely displaced by violence, it seems unfair to poll those remaining about reunification.


Who should one choose to poll? Citizens of the Republic? If they are enfranchised, then surely British citizens should be enfranchised as having no less an interest in the result.

Whatever the reasons behind it, it is the population of Northern Ireland in the here and now who will have to live with decisions that are made about her constitutional status.


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12 Oct 2011, 7:24 am

I don't think it should be up to a poll at all.



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12 Oct 2011, 12:28 pm

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I don't think it should be up to a poll at all.


Well, that leaves the question up to the Crown and to Parliament. It is abundantly clear that the international community recognizes British sovereignty over Northern Ireland, so unless and until the people of Northern Ireland take democratic steps to break that tie, the status quo ante will continue to prevail.


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12 Oct 2011, 1:51 pm

Growing up as a young lad in America my family has always been treated poorly due to are Irish heritage just like in Europe the Irish have had a history of mistreatment thats another reason why I would wont a untied Ireland I plan on one day having a dual citizenship with Ireland and America.



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12 Oct 2011, 3:12 pm

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Growing up as a young lad in America my family has always been treated poorly due to are Irish heritage just like in Europe the Irish have had a history of mistreatment thats another reason why I would wont a untied Ireland I plan on one day having a dual citizenship with Ireland and America.


You had better make sure that one of your parents is registered in the Foreign Births Register. While citizenship through descent is, at least in theory, indefinite, it can be lost if any generation between you and an ancestor born on the island fails to register.


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12 Oct 2011, 3:23 pm

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Growing up as a young lad in America my family has always been treated poorly due to are Irish heritage


How so? I'm curious.


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12 Oct 2011, 3:28 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Joker wrote:
Growing up as a young lad in America my family has always been treated poorly due to are Irish heritage


How so? I'm curious.


Agreed, I'm also wondering where in the US too, cause I imagine I may have known some kids whose parents were from Ireland back when I was in Elementary, and nobody treated any of them any different from any other American born kid.



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12 Oct 2011, 3:30 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Joker wrote:
Growing up as a young lad in America my family has always been treated poorly due to are Irish heritage


How so? I'm curious.


My family comes from parts of Ireland and Germany when my great granfather immagrated to America he was treated poorly the Irish have a history of mistreatment in america.

But I think it had to do with being poor and having to deal with Irish stereotypes.



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12 Oct 2011, 3:43 pm

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My family comes from parts of Ireland and Germany when my great granfather immagrated to America he was treated poorly the Irish have a history of mistreatment in america.

But I think it had to do with being poor and having to deal with Irish stereotypes.


Have you, yourself, ever been discriminated against because of your heritage? That's when it becomes relevant.

My ancestors lived in slums and worked in sweatshops. This (I hope) has no impact on my current political opinions.


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12 Oct 2011, 4:09 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Joker wrote:

My family comes from parts of Ireland and Germany when my great granfather immagrated to America he was treated poorly the Irish have a history of mistreatment in america.

But I think it had to do with being poor and having to deal with Irish stereotypes.


Have you, yourself, ever been discriminated against because of your heritage? That's when it becomes relevant.

My ancestors lived in slums and worked in sweatshops. This (I hope) has no impact on my current political opinions.


I have been called a Terrorist in high school for being Irish because of the whole IRA thing plus I get annoyed dealing with stupid Irish stereotypes.



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12 Oct 2011, 4:16 pm

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I have been called a Terrorist in high school for being Irish because of the whole IRA thing plus I get annoyed dealing with stupid Irish stereotypes.


Everyone has stupid stereotypes to deal with.

Meh, I guess such nationalism will always be a mystery to me.


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