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13 Oct 2011, 2:03 pm

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It is a VERY BIG mistake to think that "racism against whites" is somehow the same thing as, or "equivalent to", white racism against people of colour.

It is not only a very big mistake - it is a racist mistake.

I'm sorry, but...

That makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

I live in a "predominantly minority" region. And I'm truly very sorry to say this, but when you look at who in this area are arrogant, rude, ignorant, and just outright lazy/abusing the system, let's be honest: They AREN'T white.

I've always tried to be open-minded and somewhat sensitive to the socio-economic situation here. I harbor no hatred towards anyone, especially not based on skin color. But it's very difficult to sustain that kind of mentality once you're the one being discriminated against.

As an example, my wife and I both lost our jobs and I turned to teaching piano lessons to TRY to keep things from getting worse. We barely escaped losing our home to foreclosure and were lucky to sell the house and downsize using what little equity we had left. We were very slowly putting the pieces back together and just wanted a little help with daycare expenses for our two children. Our daycare pointed us in the direction of South Delta Regional Housing Authority. Well, the first thing that happened is they buried us in paperwork. They would not approve us unless I provided pay stubs. Well, I have two part-time jobs, but when it comes to my "day job" I'm considered self-employed. So they won't accept any proof that I work because of that. To make matters worse, they want to establish that I work at least 20 hours a week. Well, since one job is a salaried position, I don't have set "hours" that I work, and my other part time job varies from week to week. My "day job," well, is even more difficult than my other to establish hours. Now, sure, I've shown them what I HAVE, but they won't take anything if it isn't from my employer--which is ME... And then they claim my wife makes too much money when she's lucky to earn $300 a week working as a paralegal, and even she gets her hours cut from time to time.

We're trying to cut corners by keeping our old cars in good repair rather than getting eat up in debt--meanwhile, I've been waiting at the SDRHA office when I see people driving up in their brand-new Escalades, dressed nicely, and telling some sob story as to why they can't afford daycare, bring in no paperwork and make excuses for it, and GET APPROVED on the spot. And that's when I realize I'm the only white person in the building.

So I just tell myself, "dude, you're just being irrational and jumping to conclusions. It has nothing to do with skin color." We just deal with thing the best we can and move on with life.

Now, my wife is a certified bankruptcy paralegal, and she's really good at what she does. It's gotten to be a daily occurrence that someone screams at her either over the phone or in person because they've gotten some serious-sounding letter from a creditor and they want to know why the lawyer isn't doing his job. Um, could it possibly be that the creditor is being a complete idiot and blatantly breaking the law by harassing a client? What part of "stop worrying about this" did you not understand at the initial consult? If you don't understand correspondence from a creditor or the court, just bring it in and we'll explain. It's just the endless phone calls from people complaining about stuff that is not my wife's problem. And then they won't get their paperwork in before a court date. And then there are the clients who call the lawyer for an emergency petition to stop a foreclosure sale on the day of the sale, literally hours away, and then they disappear. Or the ones who actually manage to get debt discharged at the end of a Chapter 13 bankruptcy and promptly file AGAIN after about 90 days from discharge!

I know about another case in which a woman was about to finish the procedure for adopting a child. By this point, the "child" was 18 years old, and when the lady was informed that her hearing was on such-and-such day, she replied that she couldn't make it to the hearing because she had to work. Huh???

I'm not saying white people are without problems of their own. I live among poor white trash, so I know the problem isn't just with black people. But it does seem to me that so much more of it IS. On the one hand, you can blame poor education and just rampant ignorance. But I used to work in a "black" school, and the teachers there (I was one of MAYBE 3 white teachers there) were GREAT teachers! So you can't blame it on lack of access to educational programs that would help prepare them to enter the workforce. The ignorance is a WILLFUL ignorance ingrained into the culture itself. I will always do my best not to judge someone on skin color. But I cannot honestly say that looking past skin color is an easy thing to do UNLESS a radical cultural shift happens that will encourage the people within that culture to work towards improving the situation.

Change what other people see and you'll change perception. My wife and I are expecting our third child next year, so of course I accompanied her to her first OB visit to confirm that she really is pregnant. Well, an OB waiting room is awkward for any man, first off. However, I couldn't help but notice that we were two of maybe 5 white people in a crowded waiting room. There was one black girl there who was obviously under 18 and in her 3rd trimester--and she was taking smoke breaks every 15 minutes... Smoking is unhealthy to begin with, but to do that to your unborn child??? And that there were so many clearly underaged black girls their with THEIR mothers was unsettling to me--not because of color, but just due to the fact that so many preteens and teens are having babies. Then and only then do you really make the connection with skin color. If you want to get rid of the stereotypes, stop living the stereotype. That's all I'm saying...


you really could have cut this down. seems like you are taking you experiences and building a aimless narrow point of view. There was almost no justice done by posting all of that. After reading I still don't see the overall goal of the post. idk (I will read it again)... I'll ask you the same thing I asked Seventh... Where exactly are you getting at? lol



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13 Oct 2011, 2:05 pm

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Couldn't find anything specifically about race


How about this thread? :lol:


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13 Oct 2011, 2:39 pm

Nope, I developed some racist tendencies after dealing w/ certain individuals of other races who were literal embodiments of racial stereotypes... or else I just hate people who confirm stereotypes they are "supposed to represent".


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13 Oct 2011, 3:51 pm

Regarding racal stereotypes, sometimes they're patently untrue, but other times they're technically true but the reasons aren't what the stereotype suggests. For example Native people in Canada are more likely to be on welfare, have drug problems and commit crimes, but it's not because they're lazy or whatever. (I mean, they certainly didn't act that way before white people came - not that they led idealized Pocahontas lives, but they had functioning societies where the majority of people did OK.) It's because colonialism has caused them to go through atrocities (such as the residential schools) to the point where entire generations of Native people have PTSD. And then there's the intergenerational transmission of trauma, which means that even the third generation is suffering effects of their grandparents being in residential schools.

I don't know the situation in US as well, but I suspect it's something similar.

So yes, people will sometimes fulfill stereotypes of their race, but if you look beneath the surface, you realize it can be traced back to society's attitudes and the treatment that results.



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13 Oct 2011, 3:57 pm

I think the ASD/HFA being immune to racism idea is completely absurd. This forum at times reminds me of like, Stormfront, in it's hate for "NTs." People on here hate on so many groups of people all the time, hating on people for being popular, etc. It's the exact same thought process of racism. People don't just wake up in the morning racists one day, either some bad, traumatic thing happens, and it involves a person of another race, so their emotions get the best of them and they then hate everyone of the race. Or, less dramatic than that, they observe the other culture (hint, racism is mostly about culture, not skin color) and decide to hate it.

The other thing too is, everyone analyzes everyone else, and race is a factor in analyzations. As Einstein said "Common sense is a list of prejudices acquired before the age of 18." So with that in mind, we all prejudge everything, including people we interact, yes, based on race. It's only when these prejudices become hateful toward others that it's bad. It's best to treat everyone how you'd want to be treated, regardless of their race/sexual preference/etc.

To reiterate, I think that the OP's premise is absurd. All over this board, it's people complaining about "NTs" and to a point, it starts sounding like Stormfront (a white supremist board) if you just replace "Aspie" with "The white race" and "NTs" with "black people."



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13 Oct 2011, 4:07 pm

moved from General Autism Discussion to Politics, Philosophy, and Religion


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13 Oct 2011, 4:13 pm

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I know I am. Something tells me this is common among people with ASD/HFA.


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13 Oct 2011, 4:29 pm

this thread went wrong where the first person claimed to know excactly what they were thinking, no one knows excactly what they have thunk nor will think through their lives so to call oneself immune is to me a stretch.

as for ASD involvement, read PPR.


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13 Oct 2011, 4:30 pm

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as for ASD involvement, read PPR.


I was going to say this but I see the Oodmaster beat me to it :P


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13 Oct 2011, 4:32 pm

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as for ASD involvement, read PPR.


I was going to say this but I see the Oodmaster beat me to it :P

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yes, i thought of that too. in GAD it's all conjecture, but in in PPR you see it all!


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13 Oct 2011, 4:32 pm

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racism has never, ever made sense to me. At all. I equate racism with the mindless childish bullying of elementary and high school because it makes about as much sense.


Agreed. The human species consists of mutts.

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13 Oct 2011, 4:51 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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as for ASD involvement, read PPR.


I was going to say this but I see the Oodmaster beat me to it :P

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yes, i thought of that too. in GAD it's all conjecture, but in in PPR you see it all!


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13 Oct 2011, 5:52 pm

Bumping this thread so it can sit right by the thread asking if races can co-exist. I like the irony.



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13 Oct 2011, 6:35 pm

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Bumping this thread so it can sit right by the thread asking if races can co-exist. I like the irony.

best laugh of tonight, having seen mythbusters that says some :lol:


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13 Oct 2011, 11:11 pm

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

The list goes on and on.

Seventh you are a racist of the worst kind because you are aware of it and you think that it is okay, which shows your ignorance.

I do not see color unless someone "sticks it in my face." I work with people and I've asked co-workers to help someone because they we're more knowledgeable on a certain subject than I. They ask me "what does the person look like." and I respond "they are wearing a blue shirt." They'll say to me "No, what color is he." and I'll reply "I don't know." This has happened to me on several occasions. I was going to adopt black children before my wife got pregnant. My best friend is black. How dare you pretend that your better than the rest of us! I can go on and on about this, but if you want to see a people that have really been persecuted you should do some research on my people. I'm a Slav. You know, the people from whom the word slave is derived.


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14 Oct 2011, 12:03 am

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"Black on white" crime comes nowhere near the enormity of "white on black" crime.


Sources?


history -_____-, do you honestly think that there have been as many "black on white" murders and other crimes than "white on black" murders? There has never been a point in time where it was widely excepted to beat and kill "white" colored individuals, can't say the same for brown people. (I don't believe in race, I am just saying) there was the holocaust, in which Jews were being slaughtered and many Jews are considered "white". But that wasn't by blacks of course


You have heard of the Moors, right?

In fact, why don't you go visit practically any African country and see if you still hold that view?


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