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I don't care what side you're on, why, oh WHY do folks here ITF and americans in general seem to care so damn much about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I'm sick to death of hearing about it as I am neither pro nor anti israel or palestine. The american media really puts way too much effort into covering every single thing that goes on there and those who aren't personally involved, why take sides? Discuss....

I once considered myself a "conservative" and I once believed this too, as most good conservatives seem to think they should. It is quite common for people to swallow pre-packaged worldviews whole and end up thinking that if they believe in ABC they must also believe in XYZ, because the they are told the two ideas fall under the same political label.

Where does this idea that Israel's interests are the same as Britain's, Europe's and America's, and that Western conservatives must support Israel really come from? Do you not suppose that much of it might be propaganda spread by Zionist jews themselves, eager to win supporters?

India and Japan are liberal democracies. Are they part of the West too? Was Britain still part of the West before it allowed almost every adult with a pulse to vote in elections?

Regardless of whether Israel survives or not, it would be really quite simple for Europe and America to resist the continuing Third World invasion if the political will were there.

The Book of Revelation contains the ravings of a madman. Luther and Calvin were quite correct in their misgivings. Most of the crazy end of the world scenarios have their origins in this wretched book.

ruveyn

- first came the meek Jesus in the Gospels... now comes the powerful King of Kings to reign forever and ever. .

It is an extremely hard-to-understand book, true, so your view is understandable, but it means amazing things, and leaves one in awe after studying it diligently for its meanings.
I love the Jesus Christ manifestation in Revelation (after all, the book is actually called, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ") -- first came the meek Jesus in the Gospels... now comes the powerful King of Kings to reign forever and ever. (Which reminds me of one of my favorite Germans: Handel.) The apostle John's writing is simply amazing -- incredibly tight and to the point -- in both his Gospel and Revelation. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." Countless volumes have been written just on these verses, and I'm not surprised.

Christ II, the Second Coming. This time He is not turning the other cheek.

ruveyn

Christ II, the Second Coming. This time He is not turning the other cheek.

ruveyn

We look back upon history and what do we see, empires rising and falling, revolutions and counter-revolutions, wealth accumulated and wealth dispersed. I look back upon my own fellow countrymen of England who once dominated a quarter of the world, most of them are convinced ‘the God who made the mighty will make them mightier.’ I have heard a crazed cracked German acclaim to the world that he would usher in the world of the German Reich, and that he would be more powerful than any ruler before him. I have seen an Italian clown with his own arrogant assumption of power. I’ve seen a murderous Russian in the Kremlin proclaimed to be the wisest and greatest leader to ever live. I have seen America wealthier and more powerful militarily than the rest of the world put together. Had the American people desired, they could have outdone a Caesar or an Alexander in the range and scale of their conquests. I have seen this all in one lifetime, and now gone with the wind. England now threatened with dismemberment and bankruptcy, Hitler and Mussolini dead, remembered only in infamy. Stalin now a forbidden name in the regime he helped found and dominate for some three decades. America is now haunted by the fears of running out of the precious fluid that runs her automobiles, with the horrible memories of a disastrous campaign in Vietnam and the victories of the Don Quixotes of the media as they charged the windmills of Watergate--all in one lifetime--and now gone with the wind...Behind the debris of these civilizations stands the gigantic figure of Jesus Christ, because of whom, in whom, and through whom man can ultimately find the answer for himself and for history.

I once considered myself a "conservative" and I once believed this too, as most good conservatives seem to think they should. It is quite common for people to swallow pre-packaged worldviews whole and end up thinking that if they believe in ABC they must also believe in XYZ, because the they are told the two ideas fall under the same political label.

Where does this idea that Israel's interests are the same as Britain's, Europe's and America's, and that Western conservatives must support Israel really come from? Do you not suppose that much of it might be propaganda spread by Zionist jews themselves, eager to win supporters?

India and Japan are liberal democracies. Are they part of the West too? Was Britain still part of the West before it allowed almost every adult with a pulse to vote in elections?

Regardless of whether Israel survives or not, it would be really quite simple for Europe and America to resist the continuing Third World invasion if the political will were there.

Many Conservatives support Israel because they never want another holocaust to happen again. Furthermore, if the Muslims fanatics seize Israel they've already shown they won't stop there, as we can see in Europe.

Many Conservatives support Israel because they never want another holocaust to happen again. Furthermore, if the Muslims fanatics seize Israel they've already shown they won't stop there, as we can see in Europe.

I don't care what side you're on, why, oh WHY do folks here ITF and americans in general seem to care so damn much about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I'm sick to death of hearing about it as I am neither pro nor anti israel or palestine. The american media really puts way too much effort into covering every single thing that goes on there and those who aren't personally involved, why take sides? Discuss....

Many Conservatives support Israel because they never want another holocaust to happen again. Furthermore, if the Muslims fanatics seize Israel they've already shown they won't stop there, as we can see in Europe.

It is happening now in Uganda. What are your Conservative buddies doing about that?

It is much better not to care at all than to pretend concern.

ruveyn

American conservatives are making sure that gays get the death penalty in Uganda.

I notice you're using one element of American conservatism in order to tarnish all American conservatives.

A lot of American conservatives would be horrified at the actions of US Christian fundamentalists behaving the way they do in regard to Uganda. I'm very conservative and I find it totally and utterly abhorrent.

That is absolutely true. I apologize; though in this case, the term conservative usually implies religious conservatives when applied to support for Israel in the minds of most people, because of the religious implications.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer