Prof's "Death to Israel!" shout mildly criticized

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Kraichgauer
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29 Oct 2011, 4:08 pm

Tadzio wrote:
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Bye trolls.


Beelzebub is looking forward to introducing again "The Divine Comedy" of Dante.

Virgil is currently occupied, but Jerry Falwell is hungry for any sign of the fresh
flesh of Life.

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Did you know the origins of Halloween come from the pagan dietiy samhain.


I think I remember reading about some pagan diety with the Celts/Druids involving Halloween for the first time back in 1968 when a biology high school teacher forced her students to read publications involving Garner Ted Armstrong and the WWCG. I had to write a report on "EVOLUTION: A Whale of A Tale" against Evolution. Other booklets cited the Duck-Billed Platypus as evidence against evolution, but to me, it looked like a good example to support evolution. The WWCG shunned most holidays to the preference of modified and renamed Jewish based holy-days. The family wasn't close to the WWCG until the late 1970's. All of my encounters with religions have ended badly, mainly because of prejudices with moderately rare physical impairments I have, and/or bizarre church official's conduct.

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Oh yes, the good old World Wide Church Of God. I have a friend who had been raised in that denomination. He used to be a crack pot regarding religion and politics. Today since leaving that church, he's very liberal and claims to be an atheist. He even believes in evolution, now.

By the way, October 31st is also important to Protestants, and in particular, us Lutherans, as Reformation Day. So, by day, we commemorate Luther hammering his 95 thesis on the church door, while at night our kids dress up and we take them out for trick or treating.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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29 Oct 2011, 4:16 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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... more evidence that college is not about education

Yes, the insane ramblings of one professor outside of his lecture hours are all the proof you needed.


A professor making insane ramblings about his desire for an entire nation to be destroyed says nothing about the college he works for at the least? Prior to the French Revolution the colleges were also used as centres for indoctrination, and it seems that it isn't really that different nowadays either. Certainly there are more solid subjects where mathematics are involved, but when it goes into history or ideology it seems as though colleges, "secular" or otherwise, might as well be Cathedrals.



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29 Oct 2011, 4:48 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

By the way, October 31st is also important to Protestants, and in particular, us Lutherans, as Reformation Day. So, by day, we commemorate Luther hammering his 95 thesis on the church door, while at night our kids dress up and we take them out for trick or treating.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ah! I thought it was 95 feces. My mistake.

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29 Oct 2011, 8:57 pm

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They say, "Don't fee the trolls." Well, I unwittingly brought too much troll food into this thread. I had had a tough week, and my estimation of the general maturity level of my audience was off (which equals troll food). I apologize to the other serious-minded individuals (few though there are) in this thread -- people who understand that advocating another Holocaust deserves criticism, not defense. Ruveyn put it best, that the issue is not, of course, whether free speech exists in this country, but rather a much more local issue regarding the use of a private auditorium to say things which the owner of that auditorium does not have to allow. And my position (and perhaps his as well) is that the owner of the auditorium should not have allowed -- without swift and severe punishment to follow -- such hateful and clearly-inflammatory speech which does nothing to advance debate or promote any real thought. Also, of course, hatred against the Jews is not "an idea which I do not like", as someone alleged. It is an idea that God does not like, and therefore it is wrong. This can be debated among fools, but that changes nothing.

Why is "death to Israel" a speech against the jews?

You know what is a very popular sentiment around here? "Death to USA". And we love it and we do not mean that we would like to start a war with you, just that we don't like your guts because of what you do around here. It is also most definitely not a speech of hate against causcassian people or even your culture. We love your legacy of hamburgers, big cars and draconian computer software monopolies just like anyone else in the world. And we don't even hate Americans, I swear, come here, dress up like a touris (you guys love to pretend like the sun doesn't kill people at this height, so we can see you miles away) and you will be treated like gods, I swear it.


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29 Oct 2011, 9:12 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

It does raise questions, is it ok to fire professors for hate speech out of context? Freedom of speech is there precisely to protect speech that is not pleasant on our ears. Although "death to Israel" is rather dumb and deserving of getting fired, it is not something he did under the role of a professor but as an activist attending a presentation. So, should people be fire-able for things they say outside of work? It is definitely not as unambiguous as you present it.


I wonder what people would think if ruveyn started working again as an engineer for some company that receives public funds and was susbequently fired because people "found out" about things he wrote on WP (like his statements advising for the usage of nukes against the Mid East). I'm sure there's more than enough crap on here to get us all in trouble with potential employers.


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