Why I am a Democrat

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He is no different in his actual doing than the recent Bush administration. He is an empty suit and he hates the constitution.

ruveyn

Obama has been a horrible president. He's wracked up more debt in less than 1 term than Bush did in two, his policies are hurting our country rather than helping it. I don't believe he's trying to hurt the country intententially like some people do, I just believe he's completely incompetant.

Now as I understand it, Obama actually added the two wars to the budget, whereas Bush had not. Obama only showed the reality of the situation which Bush had tried to ignore.

And now, as Obama has pulled troops out of Iraq, we're bound to save money!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Anything that went out of Iraq is going into Afghanistan.

And the amount of money is a small fraction of what was given the Cronies.

ruveyn

A practical impossibility.

ruveyn

Hundreds of billions?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Please, this is not a discussion on Obama's presidency, and I am tired of having to debunk these bull crap claims. I really ought to create a macro for this:



The above accounts for the deficit, mind you. Also, you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of different things you can say with the same numbers, and you should never trust a simple graph to tell you the whole truth. I'm not going to show you the other side of the story, though, because I prefer to support the image of my own man. To be fair with Bush, there were different things happening during their respective presidencies, and both of them were under different pressures. Therefore, the more just way of judging them is on how well they reacted to come-uppances during their administration and the effectiveness of their ideas, so there is really a larger story behind the numbers.

However, I hope that you will choose to participate in the discussion we are having in this thread. Since you seem to be having trouble comprehending the intended discussion of this thread, the intended point of the OP was to protest against "moderates" who seem to believe that affiliating yourself with a party inherently means that you are undiscerning and either too stupid or too lazy to think for yourself. I have had one too many of these mealy-mouthed punks talk down to me while at the same time representing less than a third-grade education, and I am fed up with being nice about it.

If you cannot comprehend the purpose of aligning yourself with a party, that is a lacking in your own education. The purpose of party alignment is to create an investment between yourself and your party. It's a lot more involved than just voting your party in the general election, and a moderate who really thinks its this simple probably never pays attention to politics until the media is already talking about "front-runners."

I can't help the ignorance of other people. I don't even condemn other people if they are not experts on the politics of their state. I don't demand that everybody know the names of every serving judge in their state and their background and record and so forth. I know most people are too busy having lives and raising children to devote more than a miniscule amount of their time to this subject. However, I will be damned if I am going to have a complete idiot treating me as if all I've ever done is vote which way Mommy and Daddy voted. Someone who has to be like that can kiss my ass.

You owe your country, state and community much more than that. You owe it to your society that you have food to eat. If you have a job, you owe it to your society that the job is available to you. You owe it to the sacrifices of your parents, grandparents and ancestors that you live in a free country. You also owe it to your progeny to keep the world beautiful for them if you can: they never asked you to bring them into the world, so it would be pissy for you to bring them into it, only to let it turn into an abysmal wasteland. Your duty goes considerably beyond what you suggest.

However, if you want to die an ingrate, that's your look-out. In my opinion, the worst thing that can happen to a man is to die an ingrate. It means that you failed to live up to what was put into you. It means you lived without purpose and without meaning. The life of an ingrate is worth less than nothing. I would rather be dead.

The State makes no money, but only takes from those that do.

The State prints money, but it makes no wealth.

ruveyn

It is in our constitution.

All that was before the U.S. went entirely to fiat money.

In the Old Days, money meant metal.


ruveyn

Sloganeering really is all you libertarians are good for, isn't it? I have never met one of you who has any brains.

There's not much difference between Democrats and Republicans, to be honest it doesn't really matter. There are left wing politicians and right wing politicians, both are controlled by the same head of the Eagle, who are most likely the big time international bankers you never hear about on the news.

All the wealth in the U.S. is produced by individuals or voluntary teams of individuals. Every last bit of it.

All the State can do is redistribute Other People's Money and create certificates of debt which are forced on the population by the legal tender laws.

A government IOU is a promise to tax citizens at some future time.

I have lost more intelligence than you ever had and I am still smarter than you are.

ruveyn

I never claimed you lacked a sense of humor.