I'm a liberal, but liberals don't like me!

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25 Apr 2012, 7:57 pm

J-P wrote:

Liberal are clique. Here in Quebec the Liberal clique is constitued of Charest,Syndicates and Mafias(not sure on this)

Far cry from here in the Pacific Northwest (USA).

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25 Apr 2012, 8:20 pm

Liberal vs Conservative these days seems to be a Corporatist vs Statist thing in many ways. Private sector vs Public Sector, the interesting aspect being the more egalitarian, yet vulnerable to majority tyranny Public Sector, to the Meritocratic, minority tyranny.

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25 Apr 2012, 8:21 pm

I've read somewhere that conservatives have a tendency to be more organized and stick more to routine than liberals. In short, conservatives display more of the traits associated with AS. I would also point out that what the USA calls "liberal" encompasses a huge range of things, including but not limited to: what other countries would call conservatives, social liberalism, environmentalism, socialism (although no socialist would call themselves a liberal), just about any form of counter-culture, trade unionism, social democracy, and corporatism. So while Americans would call me liberal (I call myself an ecosocialist), that does not mean that I'd get on at a philosophical level with Democrats. At a personal level there is no telling who I'll get along with, although it will only be a small subset of any group.

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26 Apr 2012, 9:25 am

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Both the so-called liberals and the so-called corporatists are Statist. They see the government as the most important component of society.

That State is the enemy of liberty, not its defender.

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26 Apr 2012, 3:42 pm

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If it is an enemy, then at least sometimes it can be a frenemy when it gives you a helping hand.

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26 Apr 2012, 3:44 pm

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A liberal recognises that people with power always have an increased ability to obtain more power. Therefore, any system will eventually be dominated by powerful special interests. A liberal wants the state to be powerful enough to cut other powers down to size, since the state is easier to control than other powers.

The State itself is a special interest. In fact it is The Most Special Interest.

The State is the enemy of liberty. It always has been and it always will be. Therefore keep the State as small and as limited as possible and still maintain peace and order in the society..

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26 Apr 2012, 3:57 pm

Hey captain are you an independent thinker who believes people, in particular the liberals you meet, should be above mediocrity. That could cause people to dislike you.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

If it is an enemy, then at least sometimes it can be a frenemy when it gives you a helping hand.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Stealing from Peter to pay for Paul's medicine. Some help that is.

The State has made us all accomplices to theft.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:15 pm

I am a conservative, and liberals don't like me. Most conservatives don't either.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

If it is an enemy, then at least sometimes it can be a frenemy when it gives you a helping hand.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Stealing from Peter to pay for Paul's medicine. Some help that is.

The State has made us all accomplices to theft.

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Is Peter going to stand by and watch Paul die?

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26 Apr 2012, 4:17 pm

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Actually, I don't think that most liberals around here even accept that I am a liberal. I think that most of them here think I'm somewhere in the same league as Jesse Helms and Michael Savage. Why? Because they are ret*d scum. Sheeple.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:19 pm

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WilliamWDelaney wrote:

Trust me Pedant - I never had you confused with a rightie.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:43 pm

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Is Peter going to stand by and watch Paul die?

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Long before there was Medicare there were reasonably priced medical insurance plans and pro bono clinics for the poor and working poor. Then the government took it all over. Now the only way to save poor Paul's life is through theft.

When I was a kid there were clinics for poor folks and working poor who only had to pay a fraction of the cost of treatment.

What happened to them?

I will tell you what. It is your f**king government that ruined a system that worked.

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26 Apr 2012, 4:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:

keep the State as small and as limited as possible and still maintain peace and order in the society..

Oh, I agree! But I think that you are underestimating how much government might be needed to maintain peace and order. Is it maintaining peace and order when there is a huge underclass of poor people who regularly turn to violent crime? Is it maintaining peace and order when corporations seize control of the government, causing the people to dream about violent revolution?

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26 Apr 2012, 5:05 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:

It's weird, but the people who seem to like me are usually on the conservative side. I say weird, because I'm a democrat.

What do you think?

I'm the same way. So join the club. :wink:

All I can say is that liberal is not the same thing as tolerant. Many liberals are exceedingly intolerant of people who are socially inept. Liberalism is very much a social climbing strategy for young urbanites.

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26 Apr 2012, 5:14 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

CaptainTrips222 wrote:

It's weird, but the people who seem to like me are usually on the conservative side. I say weird, because I'm a democrat.

What do you think?

I'm the same way. So join the club. :wink:

It seems like the conservatives are the tolerant ones, and the liberal ones are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.

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