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22 Jan 2012, 8:56 pm

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No, I had dreams that depicted and played out a very particular series of events that seemed meaningless and cobbled together at the time. Weeks or months later, those series of events would begin to play out in everyday life, and I would recall my dreams and know exactly what was going to happen next. For instance, "Now this person standing next to me at this party is going to start talking about ________, make _________ joke, pick me up on his shoulders and spin me around, then we are going home together."

Have you kept score of all the "dreams" that did not work out? If not, you are afflicted with Observer Bias. You are remembering the hits, but not the misses. Sorry. You lose.

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For some reason I thought you were religious?

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22 Jan 2012, 9:04 pm

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hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

It can be found at James Randi's Million Dollar Challenge.

All you have to do is successfully demonstrate your alleged abilities in front of scientist, magicians, and other skeptics.

One million dollars would buy a lot of coffee and donuts!

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

The CIA and Pentagon spent approximately $20 million on their psychic programs.

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22 Jan 2012, 9:13 pm

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I, personally, have had several detailed, vivid precognitive dreams. And I'm no hippie-dippie new age airhead, so please don't pigeonhole me as one.

Well, since Nancy Reagan planned the bad actor's trips partially on the basis of astrologers, I guess paranormalism has cross-ideological believers. Regardless, I reserve the right to pigeonhole you under one label: naive of counter-intuitive statistics and probability.

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22 Jan 2012, 9:13 pm

shrox wrote:

Kelspook wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oodain wrote:

hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

The CIA and Pentagon spent approximately $20 million on their psychic programs.

and they had how much concrete to show for it?

even when the funding of their department was at stake(their own asses)

it only shows that one can wish for something to be true to the extent of blinding yourself of reality and wasting resources on that.

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22 Jan 2012, 9:17 pm

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shrox wrote:

Kelspook wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oodain wrote:

hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

The CIA and Pentagon spent approximately $20 million on their psychic programs.

It just shows the idea is interesting enough for some real study to have been done.

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22 Jan 2012, 10:16 pm

yes its interesting, the possibility is intriguing, but repeated testing by multiple instances and people claiming these abilities usually end up with no results at all.

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22 Jan 2012, 10:46 pm

shrox wrote:

Oodain wrote:

shrox wrote:

Kelspook wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oodain wrote:

hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

It can be found at James Randi's Million Dollar Challenge. All you have to do is successfully demonstrate your alleged abilities in front of scientist, magicians, and other skeptics. One million dollars would buy a lot of coffee and donuts!

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

The CIA and Pentagon spent approximately $20 million on their psychic programs.

and they had how much concrete to show for it? even when the funding of their department was at stake(their own asses) it only shows that one can wish for something to be true to the extent of blinding yourself of reality and wasting resources on that.

It just shows the idea is interesting enough for some real study to have been done.

Just like the porn industry, which shows that any perversion - no matter how disgusting - can be interesting enough to someone to spend money on seemingly endless re-iterations of the same old coital activities.

Just because people are interested in a subject does not make that subject worthwhile.

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22 Jan 2012, 10:54 pm

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For some reason I thought you were religious?

I am Jewish, not religious. I keep the Commandments or most of them. And what does being religious have to with psychic nonsense?

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22 Jan 2012, 10:57 pm

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For some reason I thought you were religious?

I am Jewish, not religious. I keep the Commandments or most of them. And what does being religious have to with psychic nonsense? ruveyn

Both are based on superstition and the belief in unprovable things.

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22 Jan 2012, 11:03 pm

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abacacus wrote:

For some reason I thought you were religious?

I am Jewish, not religious. I keep the Commandments or most of them. And what does being religious have to with psychic nonsense? ruveyn

Both are based on superstition and the belief in unprovable things.

Some unprovable make sense and other unprovable things don't makes sense. Unprovability is not the only issue.. Besides the claim of psychic powers can be falsified experimentally. If a properly constructed experiment does no corroborate the existence of psychic powers, then they do not exist. Sort of like aether whose existence was disproved by the negative outcome of the Michleson-Morely Experiment.

No aether, no telepathy. Very simple.

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22 Jan 2012, 11:06 pm

Well, psychic ability is rubbish, aether way you look at it...

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22 Jan 2012, 11:10 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

abacacus wrote:

For some reason I thought you were religious?

I am Jewish, not religious. I keep the Commandments or most of them. And what does being religious have to with psychic nonsense? ruveyn

Both are based on superstition and the belief in unprovable things.

On this you are very wrong.

It could be said these first four are not relevant in a secular society:

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence."
"Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above."
"Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD."
"Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy."

But these last six are very relevant and are the basis of all society, even amongst some animals.

"Honor your father and your mother."
"Do not murder"
"Do not commit adultery."
"Do not steal."
"Do not bear false witness against your neighbor."
"Do not covet your neighbor's wife."

Actually, you believe in God and are very angry at him, I would say. Why I don't know.

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23 Jan 2012, 12:17 am

Kelspook wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oodain wrote:

hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

It's not weird, as anybody with repeatable psychic abilities would have no need for stupid tokens of value.

Jesus nor Satan are interested in worthless tokens themselves, but as Puck knows, as all Gods know, even with foolish mere mortals, toying is irresistible at moments. But anything near proof is liable to result in a crucifiction of the so gifted: http://www.google.com/search?q=Skinner+ ... =bks&tbo=1

Also, that's why Oberon is still on guard of Puck sneaking up behind him, and sticking him in the buttock with a hat pin.

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23 Jan 2012, 1:27 am

Our nervous system is laid out very much like a rooftop TV antenna.

But we have no transmitter.

So maybe we could receive, but not send. That would actually explain some of clairvoyance and precognition.

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23 Jan 2012, 1:30 am

Tadzio wrote:

Kelspook wrote:

Oodain wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oodain wrote:

hey if it really is true you know there is a prize of a million dollars for being the first to prove said abilities under reasonable experimental conditions

it really does up the ante doesnt it??

Surely does, weird how nobody has claimed it yet.... :roll:

oh so all the good that money could do to other in real and desperate need should be overlooked as well??

better that than having a million dollars sitting in an account somewhere dont you think?

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23 Jan 2012, 4:43 am

I'm not claiming to have any kind of conscious abilities or consistent experiences with this stuff...of course the vast majority of dreams that I recall haven't predicted anything. But the ones that did were WAY too extensive and detailed to have been simple coincidence.

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