what you know about near death experiences?

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That makes sense actually. Just a little background process we all run that some people can tap in to (through drugs, meditation, or whatever else).

As far as the whole starchild or astral projection thing goes, colour me sceptical as well. I can't prove that it doesn't happen, but I doubt it does.

Well, I don't mean it is some "ability" to be tapped in to. When I say that one can picture themselves in such a manner I literally mean "picture" it- not physically leave the body. That is impossible, as the mind is a physical entity.

Maybe death isn't so bad, but it's the pain, sickness, and suffering that leads to most deaths that terrifies me. I often wonder what good is it living to a hundred if you develop dementia, brittle bones and arthritis, take 50 pills a day and are stuck in a senior's home with staff who abuse or neglect you? Or worst of all, hooked up to life support because "they" think pulling the plug on you is a sin?

Oh yeah, and I also think people who've had an NDE are truthful, but it's just natural brain activity.

A) Some people are dedicated liars and can't wait for the next opportunity to lie. Either for attention or money.

B) Natural brain activity.

C) It's possible that it's more in some cases. But the same is true of UFOs, bigfoot, etc, etc. Need evidence. There was a novel I cant remember the title of that covered this subject. They tried to see if NDEs could describe hidden objects in a room after they had "floated above".

In this kind of situation isn't it pretty much the same thing? Yes your conscious is still physically located in your body but you would be perceiving everything as if it were looking at you from a different angle. Scientifically different I suppose, but the experience would be pretty much the same I think.

What you would be "perceiving" is in essence your brains ability to construct something that makes sense from something that is not directly in your view, but that you are spatially aware of. So it is an interpretation of external "data" through the brains inputs. The ability to create a "picture/video" out of it is where the OBE comes into play, and this is where the human imagination shows its power

my late grandfather died on the operating table and was rescuisitated. after he recovered at home, my [late] father asked grandpa, "well, will ya tell us what ya saw?" to which my grandfather would only describe blackness, but that afterwards, he wasn't afraid of death anymore.

when i was a teen, i was at the dentist's office lying in the reclining chair, and when he wasn't looking, i arose and reached around the chair and twiddled the NO2 knob to a somewhat higher flowrate, and quietly sat back down in the chair. soon, i floated out of my body and for a bit i hovered beneath the fluourescent light fixture above the chair, then when i looked back it seemed my body was a long way down below me, and i was just staring at light all around me. then i heard an "OW!" and i floated down and then fell hard back into my body, with a THUD! which together with my biting his fingers made the dentist think he hit a nerve, and he apologized to me. i didn't have the courage to tell him i just had the ultimate day trip. i wish i coulda gone farther into the light.

Hi Vexcalibar,

What set of criteria do you use to determine the level of trustworthiness of testimony from individuals with neurological impairments?

The "lack of oxygen" and the "excess of oxygen", both can individually result central nervous system toxicity, and while the damage is usually either very localized or very generalized, the unusual medium can result in neurological damages resulting in future autism spectrum disorders.

Due to frequent intense prejudice involving the trustworthiness of evidence from individuals with behaviours matching the assumed behaviour repertoire of individuals with autism spectrum disorders, recordings have helped me verify instances of prejudice and false witness from "normal, non-brain fried" individuals.

Whether if it involves poor memory, false assumptions tainting observations, outright lying, or "mis-interpretations" possible from recorded events, evidence disputes then become a cesspool of legal polemics, and "we" all know it's those "brain fried" people that are out of touch with reality.....

Modern technology everywhere often catches the ubiquity of truth encountering false witness about "those" people.

Tadzio

Hi NextFact,

I've had many near death experiences (one of my screen-names is "3Hours2Live"). Most of them have been from temporal lobe epileptic seizures generalizing to full tonic-clonic seizures, and a few of them have been from near fatal events well after the tonic-clonic seizures.

I was going to purchase the book "Out-of-Body and Near-Death Experiences: Brain-State Phenomena or Glimpses of Immortality?" (Oxford Theological Monographs) by Michael N. Marsh (2010), but the price jumped back up by about $50.00 (both for the hardback and for the e-book), so for now I'll have to stay with the previews available on amazon-dot-com and books-dot-google.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... ridicality

Much of epilepsy & OBE overlaps, and I've been trying to learn more of the kindling patterns and pathways from partial seizures to secondarily generalized seizures from the sensory clues during the events. My original simple partial seizures started from the right amygdala, then later would spread to other Limbic System areas, then nearly generalized until total.

A website that has a moderate list of references including OBE is:
http://www.shaktitechnology.com/obe.htm

Painless migraines also give me many unusual sensations, but most always limited to at most illusions of sensory experiences. At times still, while very often in childhood, extremely sensitive perceptions would amaze other people, much like parts of the exceptional examples cited in the book "See What I'm Saying: The Extraordinary Powers of Our Five Senses" by Lawrence D. Rosenblum, to which I assigned my abilities to subliminal perceptions similar to minor stimuli in the "Clever Hans Effect".
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... Bushway%22

Tadzio

Their brain got fried at the same time at which the event they indicate something magical happened. It is a "no-brainer" to me.

Hi Vexcalibar,

No, I'm wondering about the basis of your generalizations.

For instance, during a simple partial epileptic seizure, often called an "aura", a person may experience a very real seeming sensation of smelling "burning rubber", yet, all the other sensory & cognitive functions of the brain are functioning very normal. Many people equate such aura as something magical. So, how is discrimination based on regarded impairments of such individual avoided, if it is assumed a "no-brainer" for an event being labeled as "their brain got fried"?

A few exceptional cases make are public news reports, such as a college professor with the only impairment of being "face blind", a lady with both amygdalas damaged & totally "normal" except for the complete absence of experiencing "fear" despite what other people would otherwise regard as very frighting situations.

In neurological journals, the number of such regarded "rare" instances are, in fact, very frequent.

Tadzio

"It's extraterrestials orchestrating the experience" - Obviously!

All I know is that they cause an awful lot of paperwork.