Life without a meaning

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^Very wise words!

My life obviously has some kind of meaning because I am not reaching for the gun and placing it into my mouth.

in todays day and age you are bred to go to school, get a 9-5 job, get paid little money to buy pointless materialistic items that you don't need, retire with little to no money and die. i don't want that

debt is slavery, most Americans are in debt, actually almost all

when you take out a loan for your house or car you incur debt, that's a common way most people get in debt

Oh dear, the true love myth strikes again. Occasionally two people meet up that fall in love and spend the rest of their lives together, but it's rare. And it's not all romance and happiness either. The only way you can ensure that is to cut their heads off the moment they get hitched.

I don't know why this stupid myth won't just die. It's patently absurd, evidently wrong and denies free will (which I don't believe in anyway). You don't get to choose how to spend your life if you're fated to be with one person.

Perhaps one reason is sheer immature laziness. If you have The One waiting for you somewhere, there's no need to change or improve yourself. So she was put off by your bad habits and collection of goat porn? She clearly wasn't "the one". Mature relationships, the ones that actually last because people put effort into them, are about compromise and communication. Those "perfect" couples are the ones that split up in a few weeks, once they discover the other side of each other and realise they've wound up with another person with their own dreams, feelings and ego. The world cannot revolve around two people at once.

Even if you did find this perfect person who loves everything about you, and you them, that would be the most boring relationship on the planet. You may as well date an inflatable doll.

And the worst part of this myth is the arrogance of its believers. Just like the overly religious, if you disagree with their patent absurdities, they'll smile condescendingly and say "you only think that because you've not been in love yet." Aaaaargh! The urge to kill is rising...

You clearly have a very simplified view of fate, if you think that it's "easy" to think that way. I share the view of many others, that fate is a path that your own soul chooses, for whatever reason necessary for the progression of the soul. In other words, free will is not out of the equation.




"Bucket list"? "Leap year"? No clue what you're talking about.

As for finding myself before finding her - what makes you think I haven't found myself? While I currently am not doing anywhere near enough in my life, if I do not kill myself, quite yet, there seems to be that there soon will be a certain time, in the world, where people of my sort may become very important. People who have nothing to lose, and are prepared to do what it takes to make things better.

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Think about this, you're obviously in a low spot. If you found "the one", would you get better? If you change, what makes you think that person will like you after you changed? You won't be the person she first met. Which is why you need to help yourself before you go on the hunt.

Fate is basically determinism with a narrative. While determinism states that everything that is going to happen is already set, fate implies that it has somehow been designed that way. But some people's view of fate is non-deterministic - that is, key events are going to happen, but the exact time, place and circumstances are not set. While deterministic fate implies an intelligence set things in motion, non-deterministic fate implies it is constantly at work to keep it happening. I find that idea horrific, and it certainly suggests that free will is not desirable to this intelligence. You will conform to the plan it has set, whether you like it or not.

It's an interesting question, too, to ask what exactly IS fated. Are natural disasters fate? Are traffic pile-ups the destiny of those within them? Are only "important" things fated, or are little things also fate? If so, why can't everything be fate, from the spin of galaxies to the interaction of subatomic particles?

And what do you mean "the path your soul chooses"? Your soul, not you? Are you suggesting that my soul is a separate entity to myself? This too is a philosophy with a minefield of dangers. For fate to work in this way, my soul's choices must necessarily coincide with those of other souls. It would hardly be true love if my soul thinks I should be with Sally and Sally's soul thinks she should be with Jennifer. Our souls must thus decide this together, along with the tacit agreement of every other soul out there. All this implies that one intelligence again - our souls are enslaved to some greater organisation. They don't have free will either. Either that, or my soul and Sally's soul are meeting up in some ethereal plane, making small talk, finding out how compatible they are and deciding whether to make an afterlifetime commitment before then guiding our mortal bodies towards that same destiny. Which seems rather like doing the same thing twice. What brought Sally and my souls together? Were they fated, or was this a path our souls' souls chose?

Simplified view? If anything, your view of fate is the simplistic one. Truth very seldom involves magic and romance but I find it much more interesting for it.

I have every reason to target your previous post in an offensive manner. Yes, your previous post, not this new, more intelligently written. In your previous post, you accuse those that believe in fate as quite possibly being lazy, while throwing in offending examples of a situation you imagine. Instead of acting in an offending manner, and even stating that you feel like killing people with these beliefs, you could write a more constructive post, such as your last one.

You didn't read it very closely then.

I did not say believers in fate are lazy. I said that belief in fate is lazy. The difference is similar to, say, being in a cult - the belief may be utterly stupid, but the believers are often very intelligent. If anything, the intelligent believers can be much more fervent. They're better at thinking up defensive arguments.
A believer in fate can actually be more productive. They have a target to aim for, however vague or incorrect it may be.

And I certainly didn't say they should be killed. Dying at the start of this perfect relationship would be the only way to keep it perfect, because it will soon turn sour. If you plan on a long term perfect relationship, it's unlikely to happen.

Errr...what you do with your iPhone in your own time ain't our business.