Were Israeli nukes behind Japan 2011 tsunami/plant disasters

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Fukishima was not a nuclear meltdown. The real nuclear meltdown is global warming.

Global warming is indeed a "meltdown" in the polar regions and in high altitudes.

Though not "nuclear".

Ironically nuclear power is the only viable option to putting carbon in the air right now.

On a large scale at any rate. My area has a wind farm being built right now, which is great technology. There are also some tidal generators being put in I believe, and not to far away they are looking in to geothermal power

Such interesting technology, and using resources that are effectively unlimited.

There are "fringe technologies" that are interesting.

If Germany, which is about as sunny as Seattle, can take the lead in solar energy youd think any country could get more watts out of its sunshine.

If I were a crazy Middle Eastern dictator Like Khaddaffi- or if I were a war mongering american president hell bent on conquering an oil rich middle eastern country in the name of "freedom" (like bush cheney or obama) - I might be oppressive - but I would be oppressive in more creative ways than either assad running Syria or bush running Iraq were.

I would use my oil wealth to take all that desert sand and melt it down into glass. And then use all of the empty desert space and that unrelenting fierce sun to power dozens of square miles of either solar cells made from the glass. So when the nation's oil runs out we would keep on exporting energy in the form solar generated electricity without missing a beat!


When Bush was running Iraq we wasted time with things like getting the Iraqi people to quit smoking.

We should have put their unemployed to work covering the desert with solar cells. Then they would be able to power their cities without the use of fossil fuels. Then the Iraqi people wouldve been less xenophobic about cutting us invaders a deal on their oil because they wouldnt need as much of it themselves. The reduced gas prices wouldve recouped some of the huge cost of the war for the US.

I wasn't trying to be funny so much as show my disgust with the OP and let them know what area of left field I saw them coming from.

i believe it is held to be a circular relationship. they both emerged through a vortex from the fourth dimension to forever enslave humanity.

and theodor adorno wrote the entire beatles catalogue. he was working on a mandate from the tavistock institute.

Ah I see. My bad, gomenasai. Keep in mind however that this is an aspie forum so there will be those of us who take things like this at face value... but of course you knew that XD

To be fair though I realize that when I use certain means of communication, especially sarcasm and irony the way I do sometimes, it can be prone to be misread by anyone who doesn't already know me. That's part of why I'm happy to explain if and when misunderstandings should arise.


Technically the Rothchildes are descendants of the bird species through Tyranosaurus Rex that followed a separate path of evolution to humanity....so, I'd say depends on the reptile species and how far up the tree you're talking.

Okay, good to hear. I suppose I don't mind it when people are disgusted by me.

What area of "left field" is that? Soviet-like? North Korean? Cuban? Just wondering. I actually just was bored when I found this article, and due to the amazing cruelty of Israel, towards Palestinians, I did not particularly mind posting it without even having properly read what this man Jim Stone had said, himself. Before being disgusted with me, maybe you should first be disgusted with those who show blind support for Israel?

I prefer to stick to ideas not people on that. A person can say something that disgusts me but they don't disgust me usually unless it comes their actions.


It might be an expression. It means way off point.

Their cruelty mostly includes existing with the occasional developing over the lines. You might want to get a good book on the history of the land, its population, and the events; some emphasis from 0 AD to WWI but mostly post WWI. Understanding what happened, where, and why. Its not to say that either side is squeaky clean, just that I'd offer that your claim here as well is out in left field. Also try to get a sense of how many peace talks happened, how much its been tried, and see who's been sabotaging them.




Not really. Claiming that Israel's tried to reach concessions with the Palestinians but not been allowed to - by the Palestinians - whether you agree with it or not, has better evidence to support it than the suggestion that the Israel perpetrated 9/11 and the suggestion that Israel perpetrated 9/11 has more coherence than the suggestion that the Israeli's sabotaged Japan via nuclear means.

Let us see...



There are various different factors that affect how much damage an earthquake causes. Among a few, the type of fault, the depth of the earthquake, the geological composition of the area the earthquake occurs over, the focal center of the shaking, the ground velocity, the magnitude, the structure density, the types of structures in the area, the technology and designs used to build the structures, the materials used to build the structures, and so on.

It is not just a matter of the ground shaking. The Kobe Earthquake was very similar in terms of magnitude and ground velocity to the Northridge Earthquake, but caused more damage because the area had a lot of old Japanese structures which were build with thin support and heavy tile roofs. Tile roofs in California are very light compared to traditional Japanese tile roofs.



This isn't true. The video of the tsunami washing over the airport was filmed by people who had climbed up to the roof of the building after they heard warning sirens. Some areas likely did not have working warning sirens or sirens at all depending on whether or not officials decided they were necessary. Other individuals who got caught up in it likely couldn't get to safety in time, couldn't hear the sirens for some reason, or ignored them. One tsunami video shows water slowly but powerfully rolling over fields that were as much as 6 miles in land. The area looked very similar to an area where I used to live and had I not seen the video I wouldn't have believed a tsunami could come so far inland in an area such as that.

As for those who didn't feel an earthquake, it's entirely possible they didn't feel an actual earthquake. Not all ground shakes equally. I was 35 miles away from the epicenter of the Northridge Earthquake but because of the soft soil, my area shook much worse than areas closer to it on solid rock.



I don't find this unusual. The Japanese take a lot of pride in what they do and have a strong sense of honor. They have a lot of earthquake drills and when there is an Earthquake and you work at a nuclear power plant, your job is to keep that nuclear power plant operating safely, not panic and run out. Many plant technicians stayed to continue to try to bring the plant under control in the days and weeks after the tsunami, when they were not required to, even though they risked severe radiation poisoning or death. To leave would have been shameful. In Japanese culture it is better to die an honorable death than live life a coward.



See my post above. Let's compare.

The Fukushima (Honshu) Earthquake was a magnitue 9.0 which occurred at a depth of 18.6 miles beneath the surface. It was on a thrust fault which had thrusted up by 30-40 meters and it's PGA was 2.9g. It occurred off the coast and the closest it was to any major Japanese city was 80 miles from Sendai.

The Kobe Earthquake, also called the Great Hanshin Earthquake, was 6.8 and occurred at a depth of 9 miles. It was on a strike slip fault, had a PGA of 0.8g, and it was 12 miles from.

So the actual energy energy released by the Kobe Earthquake, was much less, and the ground didn't shake as violently, but the key difference is that the Kobe Earthquake was much more shallow than the Honshu Earthquake, it occurred much closer to populated areas, and it was a strike-slip fault not thrust fault. Additionally the energy of the Kobe Earthquake triggered a secondary fault system that ran through the city of Kobe.

In conclusion, to compare the two earthquakes on magnitude alone would give one many false impressions.



Seismic data is widely distributed, often through automated networks. I find it highly improbable that he has found something hundreds, even thousands of other scientists and engineers missed in that set of data.



Three Mile Island had what is through to be a small hydrogen explosion. When nuclear reactors become uncontrollable, it's difficult to determine exactly what is happening inside and a lot of the puzzle is pieced together from knowledge of reactor and supporting system designs, available data, and nuclear physics theories. Additionally, different reactors are made of different materials and have different types of fuels and when the environment gets very harsh, these materials may behave in ways that were not expected.

Three Mile Island and Fukushima used different reactor designed. I'm not intricately familiar with either of these designs, nor I am familiar with other aspects of the plant designs that would be required to speculate on things like the magnitude of any hydrogen explosion that might occur within the plants, and the damage it might do. However concerning reactor containment, it is not impossible to sufficiently damage thus that it's breached.

Many materials "age" much faster in a highly radioactive environment, and when most nuclear reactors were built, how rapidly the materials used in the reactor environment would age could only be loosely estimated. It turns out many of those estimations were off and certain materials in the reactor environment break down faster than expected. Concrete is one of them. That the Fukushima plant is on the shore may also be a contributing factor. The sea environment, with the salt and humidity can cause rapid oxidation of certain materials. This is why it's not unusual to see crumbling concrete structures with rusty rebar near the ocean.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to hypothesize that the containment units were weakened from radiation and the sea air, and possibly past seismic and geological events, and may have developed hairline fractures, long before the tsunami, especially around weak points where pipes or other systems may have passed through them. In fact there have been speculations that the plant may not have been up to date on it's maintenance.



The unit 4 reactor had previously been shut down and it's spent fuel was transferred to a cooling pool which was housed in the unit 4 reactor building. The fuel rods could not be cooled properly, much of the water is thought to have boiled away, and fission events may have been occurring.



Refuted above. We can talk about the WTC some other time.



There were no "internet data links in the reactor cores". Jim Stone cites this article from the Jerusalem Post

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=212168

Magna BSP was able to access the computer system which stored data for the cameras and sensors they installed, but had not done so at the time the article was written because they had not been given permission to.



Another misconstrued claim that Stone makes is that it was irrelevant that Fukushima lost it's diesel generators because it's emergency system was driven by steam turbines powered by the reactors themselves. Fukushima does have an emergency system powered by the residual heat from it's shut down reactors. It's called "the Emergency Core Cooling System", but this is a lose lose system only intended to cool the reactors for a short period of time. The cooler the reactors get, the cooler they get, and the less steam they produce to turn the turbines that pumps the coolant that cools them. Eventually they end up in a state where they aren't hot enough to cool themselves but they're still hot enough to destroy themselves. It's interesting to note that Chernobyl blew up during an ill conducted experiment to find out how long the reactors could be cooled using their residual heat to power the cooling system (it did not blow up from cutting the power though, it blew up due to poor management, operator error, and a poor design).

The ECCS at Fukushima did do it's job but only for a period of time.





No he has not offered compelling evidence. He has offered a highly speculative scenario based on claims and points that can easily be refuted.

Additionally, consider a few things.

1. Japan has multiple nuclear facilities and an event at one plant would not hinder their ability to provide enriched uranium to Iran.

2. Other countries have offered to enrich uranium for Iran with IAEA and US approval.

3. Even if they had mal intentions, there would be no reason for Manga BSP to install "gun like nuclear devices" inside of a nuclear power plant to produce the situation at Fukushima. Ordinary explosive would likely suffice to create sufficient damage.

4. It's highly questionable that an ordinary nuclear bomb would be able to create a tsunami of the magnitude seen in Japan from such a distance. The energy is still much less than that produced by an earthquake. A nuclear bomb may be able to trigger an earthquake on a fault, however that would refute Stone's claim that no earthquake occurred.

5. If we assume this was orchestrated by Israel, one must ask, what exactly have they gained from this? The only people who have benefited from this is Magna BSP and only in the sense that they were able to find out if their monitoring systems actually worked in a real case scenario.



If you call fabricated and misconstrued quotes, and speculative claims hard evidence.



Yet no where can I find anything which clues us in on to what he is being charged with.

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It was the tsunami that wrecked Dai Ichi Fukishima. The water flooded out the diesel backup power generators for the cooling system. When the battery backups ran out the water heated up and evaporated and the meltdown occurred with the resulting explosions of hydrogen gas at the reactor buildings.

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