What Is Your Main Grievance with Obama's Presidency?

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Conservatives, what is your main grievance with the Obama presidency?
President Barack Obama lacks legitimacy for the office of President. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
President Obama is incompetent or lacks executive experience. 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Obama puts too much faith in government and does not understand decentralized, market-driven dynamics. 17%  17%  [ 6 ]
Obama hates the wealthy, business, and capitalism. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
He's bad for my self-interest. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
His administration is corrupt. 17%  17%  [ 6 ]
He doesn't support traditional family values. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
I'm a liberal or otherwise just checking the poll results. 50%  50%  [ 18 ]
Total votes : 36

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09 Feb 2012, 9:00 am

My biggest issue with Obama, other than his stringently conservative administration in general, is an entirely selfish one. I'd like my nephews and nieces to raise their future children in a world that still supports human life. In other words, where is Obama's energy policy? Why has the USA, on of the three larges carbon emitters, still not signed the Kyoto Protocol?



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09 Feb 2012, 1:21 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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He is a murderer and doing his best to stamp out freedom in this country.


Examples, please.

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expansion of the war in Afghanistan, the bombing campaign in Pakistan, the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki, NDAA, SOPA/PIPA/ACTA, plenty more


Well, for what it's worth, Obama very well maybe pulling us out of Afghanistan by next year. And the bombings in Pakistan might have been avoided if the government of that country would play fair with us regarding cracking down on their extremist element for real.

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09 Feb 2012, 1:59 pm

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Barak Obama is the spiritual and intellectual love child of Saul Alinsky and Richard M. Daley. Lord Obama learned how to hate America from one of the smartest trouble makers of all times, Saul Alinsky, and he learned corrupt politics from Richard M. Daley. Obama is so tough he could be Ram Emanuel to a pulp.

Obama exhibits the worst of both.

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Given you're frequent whining about the backbone of America - "the proles" - I'd say Saul Alinskky loved America a hell of a lot more than you do.


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09 Feb 2012, 2:32 pm

Romney, Santorum, Gingrich would be clones of Obama.

What I said about Obama applies to them.



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09 Feb 2012, 2:37 pm

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Romney, Santorum, Gingrich would be clones of Obama.

What I said about Obama applies to them.


Trust me, you'd be nostalgic for the good old Obama days if any of those idiots became president.

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09 Feb 2012, 3:27 pm

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Private sector job growth has drastically improved since he took office...


You're not telling the whole story. It's true that there was an increase of jobs in the private sector during Obama's tenure as President, but what you're failing to mention is that when you look at the bigger picture, total employment remains at approximately 1.7 million less than what it was the moment he took office. Additionally, I'm also curious how many of those additional jobs pay a sustainable wage as opposed to a living wage.

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we're out of one of the two unpopular theaters of war that his predecessor left him to clean up...


Not quite. He got us out of Iraq according to the timetable set forth by his predecessor, and has essentially "doubled down" in Afghanistan. He's also started new conflicts, including launching a campaign in Libya to topple a petty dictator, and authorizing drone attacks elsewhere. He's essentially continuing all of Bush's foreign policies and war strategies, though he's arguably more "efficient" at it.


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the days of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" are over...


That they are, and it's about time. He also signed legislation that makes robocalling a Federal crime. However, to the best of my knowledge, he had little to no involvement in the drafting and passage of those pieces of legislation. His "baby" was the Affordable Care Act which essentially locks everyone into a profit-driven system monopolized by the "one percent" without doing anything to combat the out of control costs of healthcare or the out of pocket expenses associated with it. There are people who still can't afford to see a doctor even with insurance.


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and our Public Enemy #1 is rotting at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.


You mean Emmanuel Goldstein? Funny, because we got to see videos of Saddam Hussein getting lynched, and photographs of Gaddafi getting thrown to the people that he oppressed, but yet we have no photographs or video of the most notorious terrorist mastermind in the world having justice brought down on him? Press Secretary Carney couldn't help but squirm when pressed on that one.

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Doesn't that count for something-- especially when you consider from whom he inherited the job?


Personally, I get very irritated when Obama apologists try to romanticize everything he's doing that would have been vocally condemned under Bush. i.e. "It's only okay when my party is the one doing it."



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09 Feb 2012, 3:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
snapcap wrote:
Romney, Santorum, Gingrich would be clones of Obama.

What I said about Obama applies to them.


Trust me, you'd be nostalgic for the good old Obama days if any of those idiots became president.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Doubt it.



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09 Feb 2012, 3:48 pm

I'm disappointed that he promised "change" but was too wishy-washy and kum-bah-yah with the Republicans to follow through.
The worst/best example of this is his watered-down healthcare reform. People don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. Obama's solution is to FINE them? Does Obama = Marie Antoinette?



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09 Feb 2012, 3:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Trust me, you'd be nostalgic for the good old Obama days if any of those idiots became president.


I'm sorry, but what are the fundamental differences between Romney, Santorum, Gingrich and Obama again? Because they all seem to share the same pro-war, anti-civil liberties stances to me.



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09 Feb 2012, 5:37 pm

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He is inefficient.

For the sake of disclosure, I am about as liberal as it gets.


You want a full bore industrial strength Liberal neo-fascist, not one who is satisfied with halfway measures.

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I have no clue why you would I want a Fascist of any sort in the government.

I want Socialism, also known as common sense. I want a country based around people instead of corporations, true separation of church and state, that sort of thing.


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09 Feb 2012, 5:41 pm

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I want Socialism, also known as common sense.


History and actual practice shows that Socialism is untenable beyond a community level, and "common sense" is a convenient mask for dangerous utopian ideals.

Don't get me wrong. I think people should be allowed to live by whatever socio-economic system they desire, but Capitalism and Socialism are not one-size-fits-all solutions to everything.



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09 Feb 2012, 5:48 pm

He has gone against his word regarding medical marihuana, in states with laws that allow it, patients and providers within state law will not be prosecuted.



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09 Feb 2012, 5:52 pm

CoMF wrote:
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I want Socialism, also known as common sense.


History and actual practice shows that Socialism is untenable beyond a community level, and "common sense" is a convenient mask for dangerous utopian ideals.

Don't get me wrong. I think people should be allowed to live by whatever socio-economic system they desire, but Capitalism and Socialism are not one-size-fits-all solutions to everything.


I would argue that Canada disproves your idea that Socialism is untenable. So does a lot of Europe (despite the failure of the Euro, which isn't related to Socialism).


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09 Feb 2012, 5:57 pm

abacacus wrote:
CoMF wrote:
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I want Socialism, also known as common sense.


History and actual practice shows that Socialism is untenable beyond a community level, and "common sense" is a convenient mask for dangerous utopian ideals.

Don't get me wrong. I think people should be allowed to live by whatever socio-economic system they desire, but Capitalism and Socialism are not one-size-fits-all solutions to everything.


I would argue that Canada disproves your idea that Socialism is untenable. So does a lot of Europe (despite the failure of the Euro, which isn't related to Socialism).


Yep. I've been there and here, seen all three. Theirs are better than ours...

And yes, I would like to move there.



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09 Feb 2012, 5:58 pm

My main grievance is with my employer. Who the hell is Obama feller anyway?



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09 Feb 2012, 6:27 pm

snapcap wrote:
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snapcap wrote:
Romney, Santorum, Gingrich would be clones of Obama.

What I said about Obama applies to them.


Trust me, you'd be nostalgic for the good old Obama days if any of those idiots became president.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Doubt it.


Well, I sincerely hope we'll never have to find out.

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