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12 Feb 2012, 12:29 am

Then don't abridge my right not to have to tolerate it.

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12 Feb 2012, 12:34 am

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Then don't abridge my right not to have to tolerate it.

That would involve not speaking my opinions. I have the right to do that.

Conversely, the only right you have to not tolerate me, is the right to not read my posts.

And so I ask you, how can you be a social conservative when social conservatives killed your great grandfather?

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12 Feb 2012, 12:37 am

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My great grandfather was the commisioner of roads and a part-time deputy sheriff during prohibition in Delta County, Michigan. He raided and destroyed one too many whiskey stills and was shot to death in front of his wife and 13 children. A cross was burned in the front lawn. My grandfather had to drop out of school at 14 to support the family. I hope Crazy Cat feels real good about that post.

Aren't you conservative though? Those are socially conservative actions.

You have the sensitivity of a Nazi, abacacus.

It's a matter of logic.

Social Conservative people murdered one of your ancestors, and yet you are a social conservative. There is no logic there.

If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

I don't see why I should be sensitive in this situation.

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12 Feb 2012, 12:37 am

:roll: :roll:
Oh please, children!
It's nothing new that the left accuses the right of being Nazi's or KKK.
Likewise it's nothing new that the right accuses the left of being communists.
And so it goes.......
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12 Feb 2012, 12:39 am

abacacus wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

Aren't you conservative though? Those are socially conservative actions.

You have the sensitivity of a Nazi, abacacus.

It's a matter of logic.

Social Conservative people murdered one of your ancestors, and yet you are a social conservative. There is no logic there.

Social conservatism isn't a conformed group with a very detailed and set standard. It's a very broad term. Not all "social conservatives" advocate blowing up abortion clinics, shooting black kids, and burning Catholic churches as you seem to think.

You give me the impression from previous posts that you're a socialist (please enlighten me as to what you do identify as). But does that mean I think you advocate going around invading country's, censoring them, removing all forms of enterprise and free trade, and making everyone poor like the Soviet's, Red China, and North Vietnamese did? No, it doesn't. Your beliefs are yours, and while they may be similar or nearly identical to some other around you with the same name, that doesn't mean you're all exactly the same.

I identify as an American and am glad to. That doesn't mean I advocate all the things America has done (e.g.; unjust wars, massacre of indigenous population, etc)

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12 Feb 2012, 12:44 am

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If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

I can differentiate quite well. Note that I never called you a Klan member or any such thing.

However, the KKK is the epitome of the social conservative, by supporting social conservatism those are the ideals you support.

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12 Feb 2012, 12:48 am

abacacus wrote:

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If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

If there was an imposed annual limit on flame baiting you'd have reached your max allowable days ago.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:01 am

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I am indeed a Socialist.

Not a Marxist, a Socialist.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:10 am

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I am indeed a Socialist.

Not a Marxist, a Socialist.

That's fine. But due to nations like the Soviet Union, the term socialism is often wrongly associated with things previously mentioned (including Marxism), as I believe you have wrongly associated the KKK and racial/religious terrorism to social conservatives -like myself- as a whole.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:21 am

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I am indeed a Socialist.

Not a Marxist, a Socialist.

It could be.

To my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) social conservatism is about shutting down everything helps people. Healthcare, education, the lot. Making it all private industry. Often attached are the classic ideals of superiority, be it racism homophobia or what have you.

Basically the conservative version of a radical Muslim.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:31 am

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If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

You mean, by your own twisted logic, in the way that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, who individually each have murdered more millions than Hitler (himself a self-professed Socialist) are the epitome of the social liberal? Sir, you are an eviscerator of souls and I pray that the Lord rebuke you.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:32 am

abacacus wrote:

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I am indeed a Socialist.

Not a Marxist, a Socialist.

Certainly, the far right has the notion that we'd be so much better without a social safety net so people will have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and with privatizing all services. The only problem is, this would only lead to a right wing dystopia, where the very poor, the unemployed, and the handicapped would die, and services would be rendered s**t, as in a free market, the job goes to the lowest bidder. I don't believe every conservative is a racist or homophobe, but to be sure, those types do seem to attach themselves to the conservative movement, as conservatism represents "the good old days," even if the good old days were not nearly as happy as the nostalgic would like to believe.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:39 am

abacacus wrote:

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I am indeed a Socialist.

Not a Marxist, a Socialist.

Some people see it that way, yes. But I don't, and most people I know who identify as social conservatives don't.

To me, social conservatism means preserving Judeo-Christian values in America via governmental affairs, such as restrictions on or criminalizing of abortion, gay marriage, pornography, drug use, and certain aspects of immigration. It also includes the promotion or demotion (dunno if that's the right word) of nationalism and multiculturalism (usually promotion of the former, demotion of the latter). Additionally, it encompasses opinions on foreign affairs and military involvement, with most conservatives advocating more involvement militarily in other nations conflicts.

Privatizing things like health care and education, and downsizing or eradicating welfare is a part of Fiscal Conservatism.

Again, this is all my view on the matter. Other "conservatives" views may vary.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:43 am

Longshanks wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

You mean, by your own twisted logic, in the way that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, who individually each have murdered more millions than Hitler (himself a self-professed Socialist) are the epitome of the liberal conservative? Sir, you are an eviscerator of souls and I pray that the Lord rebuke you.

Hitler wasn't a self-professed socialist, though admittedly Goebbels had started out as one. When the Nazis had first started out, they were such a small party that they had tried to attract both left wing socialists, and right wing nationalists. Such an arrangement couldn't last indefinitely, and only one side could win. Josef Goebbels had switched to fascism, so great was his dedication to Hitler. While Ernst Rohm, the leader of the SA Brown Shirts, who had represented the left of the Nazi party, was becoming a perceived threat to Hitler, and so was liquidated along with many SA leaders by Heinrich Himmler and the SS, representing the right of the party - with Hitler's blessing. Despite keeping the name National Socialist Workers Party, Hitler and Himmler had turned the Nazis into a solely right wing nationalist party.

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12 Feb 2012, 1:48 am

Longshanks wrote:

abacacus wrote:

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If you can't differentiate between social conservatives and a group of nutty homocidal maniacs, you really do need professional help!

Your talking about Marxists, who fascists not Socialists :wink:

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12 Feb 2012, 1:54 am

USMCnBNSFdude wrote:

That sounds quite a bit like a radical Muslim.

The difference is the radical Muslim will want to kill, you want to ban based on your prejudices. Neither make sense, if you dislike those things than don't participate in them. You have no right to try and control anyone else.

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