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Joker wrote:
Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Name of Atheism, Secularism
Adolf Hitler was baptized in a Catholic Church in 1889 and was never be excommunicated or in any other way officially censured by the Catholic Church. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings. In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
Adolf Hitler was baptized in a Catholic Church in 1889 and was never be excommunicated or in any other way officially censured by the Catholic Church. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings. In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. ...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
BTW Joker, how do you feel about the fact that the leader of Nazi Croatia was a devout christian , and slaughtered jews, gyspies, communists, and fellow christians who belonged to the orthodox church. And he used a methodology that was so brutal, so gruesome, it made the most hardened SS soldiers recoil with horror.........And the SS had certainly seen a lot of killing? Learn some history why don'tcha. The Catholic Church was officially silent about the holocaust, but records show that many factions were actively supporting it. Hitler was a member of the Christian Identity sect.
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05 Apr 2012, 12:49 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Everything I know about Hitler points to the fact that he had rejected its central teachings, such as where he had envisioned Christ as a fighter for "justice," instead of as a suffering savior. He even claimed Jesus and his disciples were fighting against the Jews - even though Christ and the twelve were all Jewish(!). I don't recall him ever talking about the focus of Christianity - that Christ had taken on the sins of mankind, and had payed the price for all, despite his own innocence.
As for his promotion of Christianity in his writings and speeches, I personally think this can be chalked up to appealing to the religiosity of the German people - not very different from certain American politicians these days. His making nice with the Catholic Church can be attributed to the Nazi concordant with the Vatican. He also had attempted to create a national German church, which was meant to appeal to German Protestants - which included digging up largely forgotten Antisemitic diatribes written by a then mentally addled Martin Luther (which makes us Lutherans blush in embarrassment, today).
As it turns out, German religiosity under Nazi rule had shrank to lower levels than in even modern Germany. Under Hitler's aegis, the state had become the focus of worship, and Hitler himself had become the fascist messiah. One former SS officer, who has since become a Catholic monk, has said how after Judaism was eliminated, the Nazi plan had been to destroy Catholic worship, followed by Protestantism.
So, was Hitler a real Christian? While he certainly, as the master politician he was, knew how to use Christian faith and symbolism to manipulate the people, he very probably was in reality a self-worshiping narcissist.
As for the occult, as with Christianity, Hitler knew how to manipulate people who actually had bought into it - which was much wider spread in Europe at that time than most people realize. But while idiots like Himmler, Hess, and Goebbels had bought into the occult, Hitler actually never did.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
As for his promotion of Christianity in his writings and speeches, I personally think this can be chalked up to appealing to the religiosity of the German people - not very different from certain American politicians these days. His making nice with the Catholic Church can be attributed to the Nazi concordant with the Vatican. He also had attempted to create a national German church, which was meant to appeal to German Protestants - which included digging up largely forgotten Antisemitic diatribes written by a then mentally addled Martin Luther (which makes us Lutherans blush in embarrassment, today).
As it turns out, German religiosity under Nazi rule had shrank to lower levels than in even modern Germany. Under Hitler's aegis, the state had become the focus of worship, and Hitler himself had become the fascist messiah. One former SS officer, who has since become a Catholic monk, has said how after Judaism was eliminated, the Nazi plan had been to destroy Catholic worship, followed by Protestantism.
So, was Hitler a real Christian? While he certainly, as the master politician he was, knew how to use Christian faith and symbolism to manipulate the people, he very probably was in reality a self-worshiping narcissist.
As for the occult, as with Christianity, Hitler knew how to manipulate people who actually had bought into it - which was much wider spread in Europe at that time than most people realize. But while idiots like Himmler, Hess, and Goebbels had bought into the occult, Hitler actually never did.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
These are some good points, I guess that's why Hitler risked the resource base and fell to the same issues that everyone before him did. He was a religion hater and wanted it removed. But he knew he would have to completely wipe it out in a single generation for it to stick. His goal wasn't to make Germany #1, it was just to get rid of religion altogether by violent means.
I doubt the rest of them bought into the occult or anything else like that either. They were just using the occult to rally people together and diversify control. That's why everyone had to just follow orders. Because no on really knew what was going on, yet everyone was fed hopes for something, and everything was likely promised. That's the problem with conspiracy governments... You never really know what you are supporting, so that leaves you with two options. BELIEVE! or apathy, which is really no different that what religion does to people anyways. So Hitler was and evil man doing evil things against people and organizations that were also doing evil things by creating ultimatums in people's lives and indoctrinating them with religion to keep them separated and cultureless if they aren't part of an ideal human race. Hitler killed people physically, religion kills people existentially (making their lives worthless). Can't we just live without any of it? I mean no Hitlers (not saying to harm the Hitler family or anything), and no religions Hitlers either? Wouldn't that be a better world?
Actually, many of Hitler's henchmen completely believed in the occult. Himmler had inundated the SS with it, searching for mystic objects (the real life basis for Raiders Of The Lost Ark), as well as practicing occult ceremonies. In fact, Himmler had allegedly ordered the decapitation of an SS officer in order to try to communicate with him in the next life! Goebbels was such a believer in Nostradamus that he and his wife had started the crap that Nostradamus had predicted Hitler - which persists to this day. While Hess, after being captured in Britain when he had flown there to try to broker a peace, was found to have been covered with all sorts of mystic charms beneath his flight suit. Hess also was obsessed with astrology, believed in mental telepathy, and believed that Jews were psychically persecuting him. Hitler himself, while using these beliefs in order to manipulate people, personally found them embarrassing - even though he cynically sold himself as the single prophet to the German people. But he may have in the end come to believe his own BS, as during the D Day invasion, he had forbidden anyone to awaken him because he might be given a prophetic dream - just when he was needed as head of state.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I think they were abstractly representing the causes of the Jews which they were against. It served as a way to determine whether people understood the same things that were the motivation of the SS. I image decapitating the SS member was a warning or a cruel end of life prank Hitler used to perhaps misdirect any foreign operatives that were watching into thinking it meant something else. The man was probably a spy or something.
Oh, no, the poor schmuck who had lost his head did so because Heinrich Himmler was a true believer in "Aryan" mysticism. Himmler had the archeological wing of the SS searching the globe - but in particular Tibet and India - searching for mystic objects and practices, in order to prove the Aryans were descended from godlike beings from the heavens.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Of course when I was studying religion I had no idea that much could be done with it... Peaceful atheist world conquest anyone?
Seriously, no guns!
