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02 Apr 2012, 4:25 pm

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The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


Oh, gawsh, it was.
It ended multiple pages of confusion.


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02 Apr 2012, 4:39 pm

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Hyperlexian lacks a belief that she can fly.

She doesnt actively believe in the nonexistence of her ability to fly.

She just lacks the belief in her abiltiy to fly.

So she has a nonbelief in her ability to fly, not a belief in her non abiltity to fly.

But if she took up the banner of the holy cause of stamping out the belief in unmechanically assisted human flight then it would become a creed. She would be actively adhering to a belief in her inability to fly.

Then it would become: a belief in her inability to fly. Because she would be actively adhereing to that belief as a belief.

She might then act on that creed to go out and convert the likes of R.Kelly who passionately sang out "I Believe I Can Fly" for the movie "Space Balls" to abandon their heretical thinking.

yes. thank you for explaining. i think i just don't have the knowledge to argue this point. :shrug:


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02 Apr 2012, 6:04 pm

Rocky wrote:
The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


I was about to say something about how we were arguing the meaning of words


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02 Apr 2012, 6:31 pm

Alexender wrote:
Rocky wrote:
The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


I was about to say something about how we were arguing the meaning of words


PPR is actually the Semantics Circlejerk forum- yeah, was mislabeled.


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02 Apr 2012, 11:16 pm

Rocky wrote:
The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


I think the the definition of an atheist should be

belief that God doesn't exist.

Because 1) it demonstrates that even an atheist has a belief, which they do and 2) atheists don't lump babies, animals, sticks and stones together with themselves.


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03 Apr 2012, 12:14 am

snapcap wrote:
Rocky wrote:
The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


I think the the definition of an atheist should be

belief that God doesn't exist.

Because 1) it demonstrates that even an atheist has a belief, which they do and 2) atheists don't lump babies, animals, sticks and stones together with themselves.


Because that's hard atheism. An active disbelief (what you're describing) becomes a matter of proof/disproof. Many or perhaps even most atheists are soft atheists; they don't believe a God exists, which isn't the same as asserting that he does not. The distinction may seem subtle, but it's very important.


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03 Apr 2012, 12:15 am

You can call EVERYTHING a belief. I believe my knowledge is correct that 1+1=2


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03 Apr 2012, 2:29 am

snapcap wrote:
Rocky wrote:
The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.


I think the the definition of an atheist should be

belief that God doesn't exist.

Because 1) it demonstrates that even an atheist has a belief, which they do and 2) atheists don't lump babies, animals, sticks and stones together with themselves.


I used to think of myself as an agnostic when I thought atheism was defined as disbelief in any gods. Once I learned about weak atheism vs. strong atheism, I realized I was an atheist. Specifically, an agnostic atheist.



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03 Apr 2012, 10:29 am

I don't see weak atheism as being in the realm of reality. You believe one way or the other. Atheist or Theist. Their is nothing wrong with saying you have a lack of belief in God, but only when it means you have a lack of belief that God exists. Taking that to mean that you also have a lack of belief in the nonexistence of God, thus creating a non-position:

I don't believe in God and that is my non-position
Strike me as an absurd notion.


If you're skeptical, that means you're just not confident enough in your belief enough to act on your belief, but your belief still exists.


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03 Apr 2012, 10:45 am

I believe we don't have equal justice under the law in the U.S.



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03 Apr 2012, 10:45 am

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That you have a lack of belief in which demonstrates your non-position.

No one can think of anything?

No one wants to mention that their atheism is weak?


I don't have belief in owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu



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03 Apr 2012, 11:23 am

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That you have a lack of belief in which demonstrates your non-position.

No one can think of anything?

No one wants to mention that their atheism is weak?


I don't have belief in owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu


But you just made it up in your head, now you have no choice :lol:

Sometimes we can be our own worst enemy.


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03 Apr 2012, 11:26 am

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That you have a lack of belief in which demonstrates your non-position.

No one can think of anything?

No one wants to mention that their atheism is weak?


I don't have belief in owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu


But you just made it up in your head, now you have no choice :lol:

Sometimes we can be our own worst enemy.


Nope. Some other people uttered owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu to me.



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03 Apr 2012, 11:37 am

01001011 wrote:
snapcap wrote:
01001011 wrote:
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That you have a lack of belief in which demonstrates your non-position.

No one can think of anything?

No one wants to mention that their atheism is weak?


I don't have belief in owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu


But you just made it up in your head, now you have no choice :lol:

Sometimes we can be our own worst enemy.


Nope. Some other people uttered owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu to me.


But you let yourself be exposed to it. Your fault! :D

Next time you should engage shields.


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03 Apr 2012, 11:59 am

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But you let yourself be exposed to it. Your fault! :D

Next time you should engage shields.


OK. I am exposed. And becaused I uttered owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu to you, you are also exposed. What can we do now? Do you believe owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu exist or do you believe owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu not exist?



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03 Apr 2012, 12:04 pm

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But you let yourself be exposed to it. Your fault! :D

Next time you should engage shields.


OK. I am exposed. And becaused I uttered owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu to you, you are also exposed. What can we do now? Do you believe owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu exist or do you believe owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu not exist?


I believe owepaqhadouvihadoifgvbu does not exist.

Your convincing skills are pathetic. :P


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