How Trayvon Martin shooting is relevant to AS rights

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Under the law before the new 2005 "Stand Your Ground" Law, any "person who tries to avoid the fight at all costs" would have already been protected from facing punishment. The 2005 "Stand Your Ground Law" removed ANY AND ALL duty to "try to avoid the fight". For instance, in the 2011 SAAVEDRA case, the judge noted (page 8 ): "Under current Florida law, the Defendant had no duty to retreat, but, even so, the evidence clearly shows that the Defendant did, in fact, retreat in several ways and was legally entitled to meet force with force, even deadly force."
http://media.naplesnews.com/media/stati ... 150108.pdf

Individuals with autism are 50 times more likely to be shot by a private citizen than shot by a police officer.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths ... elease.pdf
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offens ... le_15.html
Calling such homicides by private citizens as "Stand Your Ground" Self-Defense shootings with complete Immunity is outrageous.

When a "legal gun carrier" uses the gun in the commission of a crime, the "gun carrier" has just lost the rubric of "legal gun carrier", so a deceptive polemic is stating that no "legal gun carrier" has committed any criminal gun act.

Some "pseudo" would-be SYG'ers go as far as to make claims like:

"I can change reality with my words; it's called persuasion, lobbying and activism",

as during when they try every tool of verbal prevarication they think will might work in twisting the truth to fit to their point of view. When I noted in one response that the manipulation of words had tended to result in incorrect facts, to absurdities, I received the response:

"As a rule I don't like to club baby seals, it's unseemly and tiring on the wrists, but if you insist on nipping at my heels all the time I might just indulge you,"
Mod. edit to correct misquote and restore omitted text: "In plain English: Keep insulting me personally and I will return the favor."

and, a majority of people at a local university I asked about the intensity of the remark, took it as a threat of deadly violence.

No SYG from wrists concerns then, but any SYG with free speech & right to political opinions, etc., leads to third-party involvement desired suddenly by the bully with the tendency to indulge in clubbing baby seals.

Tadzio

The solution: For individuals with high functioning autism & aspergers to arm themselves with handguns for self-defense against armed private citizens.

Here you go Tadzio, since your selective understanding of idioms seems to still be troubling you so much, go ahead and fill this out and submit it:

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I'm sure people will take your claims far more seriously if put into this form.

I think people outside the US have a somewhat insulting stereotypical view. The US is a big place and the culture varies greatly. The vast majority of people do not carry a gun everywhere they go. Most own a gun purely for hunting or recreational purposes. I also think the level of overt racism is not as high in the US as it is in some areas of Europe. Most of the racism we do have comes down to political BS, not normal everyday interactions.

Many individuals with autism and/or aspergers (esp. any with any record of "meltdowns" or "fits" or "social withdrawals") are barred from possession of firearms. "Private" publications advise government law enforcement and social workers/health-care how to deprive 5150's and many others of gun possession rights in California over even minor DSM-IV labels (and elsewhere, with CA as a model).

Google "autism disqualifies gun possession?" for widely ranging viewpoints. For instance:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics ... ted-mental

versus

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=365030

Tadzio

California has some pretty strict gun laws.....Or so I've heard. However, Asperger Syndrome is classified as a neurological disorder and is not a mental illness. I checked the RCW in my state of WA and there is nothing barring an aspie here from legally purchasing and possessing a firearm. The only thing that would disqualify you from the 5150 is if you were involuntarily committed to the loony bin. If that doesn't apply to you than you most certainly CAN own a gun legally.

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California has some pretty strict gun laws.....Or so I've heard. However, Asperger Syndrome is classified as a neurological disorder and is not a mental illness. I checked the RCW in my state of WA and there is nothing barring an aspie here from legally purchasing and possessing a firearm. The only thing that would disqualify you from the 5150 is if you were involuntarily committed to the loony bin. If that doesn't apply to you than you most certainly CAN own a gun legally.

The only reason that the subject of your guns comes into your mind is that you have a paranoid delusion that every discussion remotely related to guns is a discussion about your "right" to own guns. Pull your head out of this fantasy world you seem to live in, and try to focus on the actual subject of this discussion.

Dox, the world does not revolve around your damn guns. The Democratic agenda is not based on "to take away Dox's guns." It is not a central concern for any reasoning human being to take away your damn guns. The subject of this discussion is the Stand your Ground law, which has no relationship whatsoever with your damn guns. The only reason that the subject of your guns comes into your mind is that you have a paranoid delusion that every discussion remotely related to guns is a discussion about your "right" to own guns. Pull your head out of this fantasy world you seem to live in, and try to focus on the actual subject of this discussion.

armchair psychiatry?

Did you actually read any of my posts in this thread Delaney? I've posted about why I think the fear of SYG is overblown, and I've responded to other people's posts, and that's about it. If you're going to attack me, at least try and make it have some bearing on what I've actually said.

According to state crime stats, Florida averaged 12 “justifiable homicide” deaths a year from 2000-2004. After “Stand your Ground” was passed in 2005, the number of “justifiable” deaths has almost tripled to an average of 35 a year, an increase of 283% from 2005-2010.

That wasn't armchair psychiatry. When I start practicing armchair psychiatry, you will find your poor, crippled, inferior mind so confused by the influx of "big words" that you will fail to recognize it from the instructions you fail to read on the back of a bottle of over-the-counter medicine, so screw you.