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DogsWithoutHorses
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09 May 2012, 3:24 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

TM wrote:

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ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Liberal Progressive.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Progressive. The coward's word for ultra-liberalism and pinko stinko socialism.

You want equalization at gunpoint, don't you?

ruveyn

Hey, no one's asking you to smell it! :lol:

And no, I don't want equality at gunpoint - I don't need it to be, as long as the rule of law is behind it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Laws are kind of enforced at gunpoint.

When there's respect for the law, there doesn't have to be any guns involved.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

In my experience people tend to respect the laws they agree with and kind of "avoid" the ones they don't like. For instance, marijuana is illegal, however a very large amount of people do not give a sh**, same with helmet laws and tax evasion. If you do not like paying Uncle Sam taxes, so you kind of stash a dollar here and a dollar there, men with guns (and calculators) will come to your house and take away your freedoms, enforced by the power of the state.

Is it unjust for laws to be enforced?
(except for in the case of pot where the issue is the law being enforced unevenly)

If there was a law prohibiting free expression, would enforcing it be unjust?

Possibly, but that's an issue with the law, not with style of enforcement.

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09 May 2012, 3:26 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

TM wrote:

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

TM wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

TM wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Liberal Progressive.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Progressive. The coward's word for ultra-liberalism and pinko stinko socialism.

You want equalization at gunpoint, don't you?

ruveyn

Hey, no one's asking you to smell it! :lol:

And no, I don't want equality at gunpoint - I don't need it to be, as long as the rule of law is behind it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Laws are kind of enforced at gunpoint.

When there's respect for the law, there doesn't have to be any guns involved.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Is it unjust for laws to be enforced?
(except for in the case of pot where the issue is the law being enforced unevenly)

If there was a law prohibiting free expression, would enforcing it be unjust?

Possibly, but that's an issue with the law, not with style of enforcement.

You didn't make an argument about style of enforcement, your argument implies that it's specifically in relation to lets call it "general enforcement of law"

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09 May 2012, 3:28 pm

TM wrote:

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

TM wrote:

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

TM wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

TM wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Liberal Progressive.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Progressive. The coward's word for ultra-liberalism and pinko stinko socialism.

You want equalization at gunpoint, don't you?

ruveyn

Hey, no one's asking you to smell it! :lol:

And no, I don't want equality at gunpoint - I don't need it to be, as long as the rule of law is behind it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Laws are kind of enforced at gunpoint.

When there's respect for the law, there doesn't have to be any guns involved.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Is it unjust for laws to be enforced?
(except for in the case of pot where the issue is the law being enforced unevenly)

If there was a law prohibiting free expression, would enforcing it be unjust?

Possibly, but that's an issue with the law, not with style of enforcement.

You didn't make an argument about style of enforcement, your argument implies that it's specifically in relation to lets call it "general enforcement of law"

I'm frankly not entirely clear as to what you position is.

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09 May 2012, 3:32 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

I'm frankly not entirely clear as to what you position is.

That:

A: Literally, the "rule of law" is enforced at gunpoint.

B: That people tend to only follow those laws with which they agree.

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09 May 2012, 4:20 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

thanks someone with an ideology incompatible with human dignity for all people

Is this a pop at me?

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09 May 2012, 4:22 pm

Tequila wrote:

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

thanks someone with an ideology incompatible with human dignity for all people

Is this a pop at me?

nope

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09 May 2012, 4:27 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

nope

In that case, whom does it refer to?

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09 May 2012, 4:30 pm

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DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

nope

In that case, whom does it refer to?

I was correcting my original statement

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09 May 2012, 4:41 pm

[sigh] Why do these things always decay into the same people repeating the same old soundbites? Someone made the comment once that everything worth discussing in PPR already has been. Some days I wonder if we'd be better just shutting down the forum and sticking with news and current events.

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09 May 2012, 4:44 pm

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Progressive. The coward's word for ultra-liberalism and pinko stinko socialism.
ruveyn

"Pinko stinko socialism" isn't an ideology, it's a pejorative. If you don't have something useful to contribute then don't bother posting.

Also, "ultra-liberalism" would be incompatible with socialism (except on social issues such as gay marriage and abortion). Liberalism != socialism.

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09 May 2012, 4:57 pm

AstroGeek wrote:

Liberalism != socialism.

Not sure about that. I am bent towards classic liberalism and that's a long way from socialism.

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09 May 2012, 5:03 pm

Tequila wrote:

AstroGeek wrote:

Liberalism != socialism.

Not sure about that. I am bent towards classic liberalism and that's a long way from socialism.

that's what they said =! does not equal

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09 May 2012, 5:14 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

Tequila wrote:

AstroGeek wrote:

Liberalism != socialism.

Not sure about that. I am bent towards classic liberalism and that's a long way from socialism.

that's what they said =! does not equal

Correct. In computer programming != is the symbol used for "does not equal." Since I don't know how to get the proper does not equal sign on a WP I just went with the computer version.

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09 May 2012, 7:20 pm

I'm anti-totalitarian and beyond that most things are negotiable. I take issues on an individual basis rather than subscribing to a complete ideology. I'm open minded to arguments from all democratic political traditions.

The problem with political labels is that it can all be rather subjective. I consider myself to be a classic Liberal with moderate, centrist views on most issues. However I've been called 'a far-Left multi-culti loving lunatic' by someone further to the Right as well as 'a right-wing Zionist neo-con warmongerer' by someone further to the Left. I prefer if people simply ask me my stance on a certain issue and then they can make their own judgement in relation to their own political position.

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09 May 2012, 8:44 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

Is it unjust for laws to be enforced?
(except for in the case of pot where the issue is the law being enforced unevenly)

It is unjust for unjust laws to be enforced. It is unjust for the decrees of tyrants to be enforced.

Think of the Nazi race laws. Was it just for such laws to be enforced?

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10 May 2012, 10:38 pm

Tough to say at times:

Paleo-Libertarian/Conservative (elements of Ayn Rand, Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell, Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman).

Believer in Capitalism but not at the expense of hurting the country but let the free market allocate resources.

Free minds/Free Markets

Bitter Pennsylvanian who clings to God and guns (and SUV's).

Confederate sympathizer.

Believe in small government.

My favorite, 1980s era Reaganite/Thatcherite

I do believe in a safety net but only for those who truly cannot take care of themselves.

In short, I like to be left alone to pursue my dreams to the best of my ability and merit and I believe everyone else has that right too.

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