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Ronald Reagan was a:
Hero! 25%  25%  [ 14 ]
Villain! 53%  53%  [ 29 ]
Meh, I don't know. Just show the results. 22%  22%  [ 12 ]
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12 Jun 2012, 1:18 pm

Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become.



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12 Jun 2012, 1:45 pm

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Another fact: In the global context, both the conservatives and the liberals are right-wing and the difference between them isn't as black-and-white as Glenn Beck makes it.


True! I'm a progressive liberal (or social democrat, take your pick), and to me most Democrats seem too conservative, especially Obama. He could run as a moderate Republican and I wouldn't really know the difference. I like him, but he's really not very liberal. What amazes me is he's been so conciliatory and the right wing treats him like a pariah and paralyzes everything he wants to do, even on issues where twenty years ago they would have agreed with him. They see him as this ultra-liberal, and HE'S NOT! Kucinich is liberal. Obama is conservative-lite. In fact, since Kucinich's defeat, there are no more liberals in Congress, so I don't know why it's still always at war with itself. :-/



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12 Jun 2012, 5:13 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become.


That was well known before RWR.

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12 Jun 2012, 5:13 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Reagan taught us that the more you give to the poor the more dependent they will become.


That was well known before RWR.

Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you.

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12 Jun 2012, 5:25 pm

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Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you.


:lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.

:lmao: :lmao:



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12 Jun 2012, 5:27 pm

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Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you.


:lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.

:lmao: :lmao:


My wife keeps telling me she can't take me anywhere.

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12 Jun 2012, 5:55 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Give a hungry man a fish and you have fed him for the day.
Let the hungry man die of hunger and he will cease to bother you.


:lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I read that just as I took a gulp of ice tea and I almost drowned in what didn't get sprayed on my monitor.

:lmao: :lmao:


My wife keeps telling me she can't take me anywhere.

ruveynb


I get that response from my wife, too.

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12 Jun 2012, 8:36 pm

I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right!



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12 Jun 2012, 11:39 pm

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I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right!


I think you Republicans are buying into your own BS that Obama is a radical leftist.
I only wish.

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12 Jun 2012, 11:51 pm

So what's wrong with being dependent on welfare ?



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12 Jun 2012, 11:54 pm

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So what's wrong with being dependent on welfare ?


The right can and has come up with all sorts of answers for that question.

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12 Jun 2012, 11:58 pm

Because the right wants people to be independent and to get off of welfare. But if the poor will be with us always and some people will be better at making money than other people wouldn't it be better just to share the wealth?



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13 Jun 2012, 1:07 am

abstract wrote:
I really liked Ronald Reagan, in fact I regard him as the best president in modern US history. I agree with his reganomics theory. We should use the way he dealt with the the air traffic control, strike of 1981 as an example for all future generations. In the process of fighting back the reds, he did manage to rack up a major deficit. However, I appreciate his honesty when he said it was the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency. It is a shame that Clinton and Obama have put everything that he worked on to ruins. Overall, I respected him the most as a president. He put an end to red empire and seemed very honest (an oxymoron for a politican). He didn't promise anything and he didn't blame anyone if something didn't work like our Leader, comrade Obama has made a habit of with congress. He also didn't take all of the credit for his reduction of the unemployment rate, he simply gave the private sector the proper tools to work with. I believe that Reagen's defining moment was his presidential address of July 1981. As he explains his tax plan he sits there with a chart promising not what might happen to the unemployment rate but what will happen to the tax rate. He didn't to make false promises and accusations, he only needed to explain himself. Hopefully our leader, comrade Obama can learn from what he calls "social Darwinism" and adjust his policy accordingly. Geese, what am I thinking, our leader comrade Napolean is always right!


Bill Clinton ruined what? Clinton was more fiscally responsible than Reagan. A brief lull between the spendthrift Reagan-Bush and then Bush again. Then it's back to tax cuts without spending reductions. Clinton also raised taxes (as did Reagan and Bush 41), and still the private sector created jobs.



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13 Jun 2012, 2:44 am

Villain. He was a president. He was republican. End of story.

Seriously, though, war on drugs, iran-contra, immigration. I don't know, he was before my time, but I don't like him, based on principle.



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13 Jun 2012, 2:53 am

I too am not quite old enough to remember Reagan's presidency, being born during the presidency of his successor.

But I recommend anyone interested in forming an opinion of Reagan the actual man, as opposed to Reagan as he appeared, and is depicted in the media (by both parties), to read his published diaries that cover the period of his presidency. Yes, they are severely edited, sure they are filtered for sensitive information and of course they are somewhat censored in order to keep in check with the cult of personality, yet they do provide us with a very intimate view of his reasoning (which is often extremely shallow) and his reflections on matters of economics and politics, which, though simple and naïeve, are not quite those of a cunning villain.

Now, from what I have read and seen I cannot really dislike the man. He certainly had charisma, honesty and determination. That last quality alone made him a better presidential candidate then I could ever be. Besides, in contrast to his immediate successor (and his son) Reagan might perhaps indeed be called a hero.



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13 Jun 2012, 8:36 am

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I too am not quite old enough to remember Reagan's presidency, being born during the presidency of his successor.

But I recommend anyone interested in forming an opinion of Reagan the actual man, as opposed to Reagan as he appeared, and is depicted in the media (by both parties), to read his published diaries that cover the period of his presidency. Yes, they are severely edited, sure they are filtered for sensitive information and of course they are somewhat censored in order to keep in check with the cult of personality, yet they do provide us with a very intimate view of his reasoning (which is often extremely shallow) and his reflections on matters of economics and politics, which, though simple and naïeve, are not quite those of a cunning villain.

Now, from what I have read and seen I cannot really dislike the man. He certainly had charisma, honesty and determination. That last quality alone made him a better presidential candidate then I could ever be. Besides, in contrast to his immediate successor (and his son) Reagan might perhaps indeed be called a hero.


I preferred Bush 41 to Reagan. His was smart with foreign policy (former CIA chief) and directly raised taxes to try to deal with debt. Despite having made a promise not to raise them. But the Republicans just did not forgive him because anti-taxation was already a religion with them. They think Jesus will balance the budget one day or something.

As for Reagan's honesty. I don't buy it. Too many pardons were issued over Iran Contra to cover it all up. In some cases pardons *before* a trial. Though GHWB Bush was likely involved as well.



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