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auntblabby
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31 Jul 2012, 3:35 am

in any case, i'd much rather wait for healthcare that won't financially ruin me for life, than to wait for healthcare that WILL financially ruin me for life. it is most unjust that the american working class is forced to use the most expensive [tertiary] kind of healthcare, while the higher classes get relatively more affordable primary care.



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31 Jul 2012, 9:24 am

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What does everyone think? Is it a good thing or bad thing? Would love to get everyone's opinions since this has divided the nation just like Social Security and Medicare when they were enacted.

Businesses with less than 25 employees are screaming the loudest and who will get some sizable tax cuts. But, many of these small businesses don't take anything out of it's employees checks except state income taxes. No social security or medicare. And anyone that work for some of these small businesses all their lives has no social security or medicare to look forward to when they retire. But, now that the Affordable Healthcare Act passed, they will probably have to pass some of the cost of premiums onto the employees like when I was in the workforce working in factories who was struggling with insurance issues. And because everyone is not insured it is hurting the rest who are insured through higher premiums, because the uninsured have to go to emergency rooms and need other health care. It is the taxpayer who is insured have to foot the bill for those who are not insured. It makes sense to me that the more people get on board the less insurance premiums will be because a lot more money is coming in.

Social Security and Medicare were the best programs to come along for us who has worked all our lives. And I feel the same way about the Affordable Healthcare Act. I'm also for the mandate that make those who are working, without insurance to pay higher taxes so we don't get stuck with there expenses. This has been a long time coming even before I heard of Barack Obama who I voted for. I'm not talking about those with Aspergers or Autism that need mental health care either and are unable to work. This would be the responsibilty of businesses to provide the insurance to parents who have disabled Autistic and Aspergers children and adults, rather then the rest of us getting stuck with the bill.

Anyhow I got called an idiot on facebook by I thought from a friend since we worked together for many years at this one factory, for my opinions. She is excessively posting anti Barack Obama images on facebook. She has been blocked from my facebook page because she called me an idiot since I have an opposite viewpoint than her. I've been disappointed in Barack Obama too, but I don't hate him to such an extreme. Or maybe she is just racist, because a black president was voted in. I will vote for Obama again.


Lol so if someone is not working and does not have insurance, what the hell are they supposed to pay these higher taxes with? wouldn't it make sense for those who have more to spare to pay a higher tax if anyone is going to pay a higher tI mean you can't exactly squeeze blood out of a stone if you know what I mean.


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31 Jul 2012, 9:44 am

Citizen: Mr. President, a growing number of Americans can't afford health insurance.

President: I hear you, citizen. How about I pass a law forcing them to buy it anyway?

Citizen: Um.........



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01 Aug 2012, 9:20 am

YippySkippy wrote:
Citizen: Mr. President, a growing number of Americans can't afford health insurance.

President: I hear you, citizen. How about I pass a law forcing them to buy it anyway?

Citizen: Um.........

that was originally a heritage foundation/repub idea. only thing is that obamacare takes the rough edges off of it via subsidies for low-income folk. economy of scale only works when everybody is in the game.



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01 Aug 2012, 9:25 am

auntblabby wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
Citizen: Mr. President, a growing number of Americans can't afford health insurance.

President: I hear you, citizen. How about I pass a law forcing them to buy it anyway?

Citizen: Um.........

that was originally a heritage foundation/repub idea. only thing is that obamacare takes the rough edges off of it via subsidies for low-income folk. economy of scale only works when everybody is in the game.


Hmmm. So when Obama runs off the rails, it is really the fault of the Republicans?

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01 Aug 2012, 9:43 am

it is the fault of the repubs for reflexively opposing anything which helps the working class, including any semblance of primary [as opposed to financially ruinous tertiary] health care for the "disposable" working poor. :hmph:



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01 Aug 2012, 9:53 am

I'm sure the insurance companies will lower their rates once everyone is compelled by law to purchase their product. Riiiggghhhht, that's how corporations work.



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01 Aug 2012, 10:06 am

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I'm sure the insurance companies will lower their rates once everyone is compelled by law to purchase their product. Riiiggghhhht, that's how corporations work.


There are two mutually non-exclusive ways of boosting profits: One is higher prices and the other is lower costs of production and service.

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01 Aug 2012, 10:52 am

what is it about a hospital administrator that rates his/her $500k per annum [on average] salary? why does there have to be a surplus of specialists but a chronic shortage of GPs? our system mandates a caddilac when a chevy will do. dental therapists and nurse-practitioners/PAs can do much of what full-fledged DDS/MD can do but much more affordably. part of the fix for our dysfunctional health care non-system is to utilize lower-level practitioners for most things. part of the fix also is to reform malpractice law, each side must give up some skin- the doctors who screw-up must be made to acknowledge their mistakes and to do their level best to make their victims as whole as the state of the medical arts allow, and in exchange the victims need to give up hope of non-medical-related financial windfalls. another part of the fix is patient education, empowering people to take care of a lot of their own minor medical problems with the assistance of web/phone based consulting nurses and liberalized over-the-counter availability of key drugs. yet another helpful thing would be to expand the public health service to include medically underserved populations. and the final part of the fix is to spread the risk globally over the entire population, and not just those with deep pockets, that way economies of scale can manifest themselves, as long as the insurance companies can be regulated.



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02 Aug 2012, 11:36 am

YippySkippy wrote:
I'm sure the insurance companies will lower their rates once everyone is compelled by law to purchase their product. Riiiggghhhht, that's how corporations work.


Thanks to Senator Franken insurance companies will have to pay money back to customers if they don't spend 80-85% of premiums on care. Some checks have already gone out. They simply cannot have unlimited profits at this point.



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02 Aug 2012, 6:30 pm

Why is the US government "forcing everyone to purchase health insurance", rather than removing the concept all together and moving to a system like the NHS?



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02 Aug 2012, 8:52 pm

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Why is the US government "forcing everyone to purchase health insurance", rather than removing the concept all together and moving to a system like the NHS?

because the bulk of the american voting public is quite dense, and consistently votes against its own best interests, in a manner percieved to "stick it" to those they consider beneath them- IOW people here will cut off their noses to spite their faces, they'll vote to screw themselves over if it is perceived that classes of people they don't like will get screwed even worse. it has been that way since the days of jim crow in the south.