Where the Canadian medical care system shines.

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06 Jul 2012, 9:08 pm

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I have heard good things. About the Netherlands Healthcare system. But in Canada I bet the wait at the doctors office. Is longer then it is in Amercia.

if you're yank working class then chances are very good that your wait will be far longer than the worst case scenario up north.

In the South' "where I am from' the wait is even longer.

then the relatively short period of time the average canuck has to wait shouldn't be too much of a bother for you then, were you a canadian.

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06 Jul 2012, 9:10 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Joker wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Joker wrote:

I have heard good things. About the Netherlands Healthcare system. But in Canada I bet the wait at the doctors office. Is longer then it is in Amercia.

if you're yank working class then chances are very good that your wait will be far longer than the worst case scenario up north.

In the South' "where I am from' the wait is even longer.

then the relatively short period of time the average canuck has to wait shouldn't be too much of a bother for you then, were you a canadian.

It still bothers me am very impacient.

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07 Jul 2012, 1:21 am

auntblabby wrote:

Joker wrote:

I have heard good things. About the Netherlands Healthcare system. But in Canada I bet the wait at the doctors office. Is longer then it is in Amercia.

if you're yank working class then chances are very good that your wait will be far longer than the worst case scenario up north.

there is definitely a class divide in the US, unfortunately.

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Canadians and Americans differed overall, however, regarding access to health care services provided under different insurance models such as those covering physician services. While Canadians are similar to insured Americans regarding access to a regular medical doctor and regarding unmet health care needs, they face significantly fewer barriers to care when compared with uninsured Americans.
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The greatest differences between the two countries are related to differentials by income in health. While there has been solid evidence for some time of the social gradient in health status in both Canada and the United States,14 this is the first time that we have been able to examine the question of whether there are systematic differences in health status by social position in the two countries. One of the important findings of this survey is that Americans in the poorest income quintile report fair or poor health, obesity and severe mobility impairment more frequently than their Canadian counterparts. At the other end of the income spectrum, there are no systematic differences in the reporting of fair or poor health or mobility impairment among the most affluent households on either side of the border.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/jcush ... report.pdf

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07 Jul 2012, 1:28 am

the wait times are longer to see a doctor in canada. a lot of it is situational - my daughter likes to see a regular family doctor, and it can take a couple of weeks or longer to get a non-urgent appointment with him. but i usually go to a drop-in medical clinic where it only takes a couple of hours to see a doctor. since they have my file and they manage all of my health issues and referrals going back several years, i don't really need a family doctor like that.

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07 Jul 2012, 9:00 am

The main benefit I can see is people are more likely to get check ups and maybe even catch problems early with even the most simple things like Hypertension.

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07 Jul 2012, 9:03 am

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The main benefit I can see is people are more likely to get check ups and maybe even catch problems early with even the most simple things like Hypertension.

In the Retirement Community where I live, I can get my blood pressure checked any time after 10:30 AM. (They do blood work in the morning). And at no additional charge. It is nearly immediate and it is relatively free.

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07 Jul 2012, 8:14 pm

In Britain you can get your blood pressure checked for free at any time at a pharmacy. Assume it's the same in Canada.

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07 Jul 2012, 8:15 pm

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In Britain you can get your blood pressure checked for free at any time at a pharmacy. Assume it's the same in Canada.

Most of the pharmacies have blood pressure measuring machines. They are available free of charge.

If you want your pressure measured by a human can you get immediate free service?

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07 Jul 2012, 8:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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In Britain you can get your blood pressure checked for free at any time at a pharmacy. Assume it's the same in Canada.

Most of the pharmacies have blood pressure measuring machines. They are available free of charge.

If you want your pressure measured by a human can you get immediate free service?

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You can go into a walk-in centre and get it.

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07 Jul 2012, 9:15 pm

Actually I think most American walk-in clinics will do a basic blood pressure check for free.

I'm considering other factors though. First, what if a person goes to the doctor for the Flu and their BP is up? Versus an American who stubbornly goes to work sick because of our f****d up workplace culture?

Otherwise yes, if you are curious specifically about your Blood Pressure because it runs in your family you could most likely get it checked for free in America. The prescription drugs however are going to cost you at the pharmacy.

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08 Jul 2012, 8:49 am

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Actually I think most American walk-in clinics will do a basic blood pressure check for free.

I'm considering other factors though. First, what if a person goes to the doctor for the Flu and their BP is up? Versus an American who stubbornly goes to work sick because of our f**** up workplace culture?

Otherwise yes, if you are curious specifically about your Blood Pressure because it runs in your family you could most likely get it checked for free in America. The prescription drugs however are going to cost you at the pharmacy.

Even in the socialist paradises, drugs cost someone something, even if that someone is not the end consumer.

TANSTAAFL!

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08 Jul 2012, 11:21 am

here in canada you can get your bp checked by machine in pharmacies, which my doctor trusts more than a human because patients get too nervous from white coats. you can also go to any walk-in clinic to get it done quickly for free. you could visit 3 doctors a day for free to do it if you wanted

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08 Jul 2012, 11:48 am

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By promoting healthier choices and by undercutting the pharmaceutical industry, the insurers can start to keep their costs under control.

I understand your logic, but it all seems so abstract. The health insurance companies are competing with each other, right? So they want their own customers to be healthy, and the customers of other insurance companies to be sick. Are you really saying that health insurance companies will actively promote healthier lifestyles, but only to their own customers? How? I mean, they can't put ads on TV, since everyone can see them. Will they call up their customers and give them a personal lecture on healthy habits?

I can't imagine it being nearly as effective at changing culture as a government which can fund media campaigns on single issues.

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08 Jul 2012, 1:09 pm

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Even in the socialist paradises, drugs cost someone something, even if that someone is not the end consumer.

TANSTAAFL!

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Well yeah that's a given.

But the same could be said so many other things. The roads we drive on. 911 police response. Snow plows. Fire rescue.

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08 Jul 2012, 3:21 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Even in the socialist paradises, drugs cost someone something, even if that someone is not the end consumer.

TANSTAAFL!

ruveyn

Well yeah that's a given.

But the same could be said so many other things. The roads we drive on. 911 police response. Snow plows. Fire rescue.

All these services could be supplied by private parties or firms.

We once had railroads that were owned by private corporations. Why not private highways?

The Scottsdale Arizona fire depart is or was (at one time) run by a private firm.

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08 Jul 2012, 3:31 pm

Well whether it's public or private I'm interested in what gets results and is also legal and practical.

I'm not adamantly against private solutions if they work.

I am willing to explore government solutions but I do have concerns about Federal involvement in reforming anything. I tend to think backing off would allow local initiatives to rise and fix domestic problems.

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