Why having universal healthcare in America would be bad

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02 Jul 2012, 2:30 pm

I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.



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02 Jul 2012, 2:49 pm

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I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

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02 Jul 2012, 3:00 pm

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I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.


How exactly do you do away with money?
We don't have money problems we have greed problems and we're not alone in this.



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02 Jul 2012, 3:05 pm

mute point it doesnt have to get in the way, there are plenty of places where it doesnt.


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02 Jul 2012, 3:17 pm

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mute point it doesnt have to get in the way, there are plenty of places where it doesnt.


If your talking about health care or any other service money has to be transfered somewhere to cover expenes (including profit).
That or I don't understand what you mean.



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02 Jul 2012, 3:26 pm

When it comes to healthcare, its about personal responsibility. Of the consumer to take care of his own health. it is not the govermeants job to keep us healthy. Not only that in 2014 when Obamacare is in affect. Those with out health insurance will have to pay a fine for not having it. How can that makes liberals happy? Its a terrible idea and it is unconstitutional.



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02 Jul 2012, 3:46 pm

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When it comes to healthcare, its about personal responsibility. Of the consumer to take care of his own health. it is not the govermeants job to keep us healthy. Not only that in 2014 when Obamacare is in affect. Those with out health insurance will have to pay a fine for not having it. How can that makes liberals happy? Its a terrible idea and it is unconstitutional.
Not entirely, otherwise the gov't would not regulate which drugs are legal and age for them. There is also the FDA, if it is not the governments job to make sure we are healthy why have that government entity?

And nice job on using grammar (not sarcasm, serious).


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02 Jul 2012, 3:49 pm

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02 Jul 2012, 3:51 pm

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When it comes to healthcare, its about personal responsibility. Of the consumer to take care of his own health. it is not the govermeants job to keep us healthy. Not only that in 2014 when Obamacare is in affect. Those with out health insurance will have to pay a fine for not having it. How can that makes liberals happy? Its a terrible idea and it is unconstitutional.


Not entirely, otherwise the gov't would not regulate which drugs are legal and age for them. There is also the FDA, if it is not the governments job to make sure we are healthy why have that government entity?

And nice job on using grammar (not sarcasm, serious).


Of course you have the FDA, But the FDA doesn't force you to pay a fine. But Obamacare will how is that fair?

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02 Jul 2012, 4:03 pm

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When it comes to healthcare, its about personal responsibility.
Oh yeah, getting older is about personal responsibility. So are genetic disorders, stress, accidents, and everything else that happens to people. Let's just blame the victims. Again. :roll:



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02 Jul 2012, 4:05 pm

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mute point it doesnt have to get in the way, there are plenty of places where it doesnt.


If your talking about health care or any other service money has to be transfered somewhere to cover expenes (including profit).
That or I don't understand what you mean.


actually it was to the poster above,

in essence i agree with your point and i probably should have quoted.


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02 Jul 2012, 4:15 pm

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When it comes to healthcare, its about personal responsibility.
Oh yeah, getting older is about personal responsibility. So are genetic disorders, stress, accidents, and everything else that happens to people. Let's just blame the victims. Again. :roll:

So next your gonna tell me you want the GOV. To tell you when you can eat.



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02 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

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I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.


How exactly do you do away with money?
We don't have money problems we have greed problems and we're not alone in this.
I agree we have greed problems - they grow out of the existence of money. Money is a way of in effect storing energy. The greedy hoard that energy.

I'm sure if everyone uses their imagination a little, the idea of no money wouldn't seem so outlandish. There were eons of the existence of humans in which there was no money. OMG, how'd we survive that?! !? :wink:



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02 Jul 2012, 4:32 pm

SpiritBlooms wrote:
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SpiritBlooms wrote:
I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.


How exactly do you do away with money?
We don't have money problems we have greed problems and we're not alone in this.
I agree we have greed problems - they grow out of the existence of money. Money is a way of in effect storing energy. The greedy hoard that energy.

I'm sure if everyone uses their imagination a little, the idea of no money wouldn't seem so outlandish. There were eons of the existence of humans in which there was no money. OMG, how'd we survive that?! !? :wink:


It would be conceivable to do away with if there was no scarcity of resources or social hierarchy relying upon it


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02 Jul 2012, 4:34 pm

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SpiritBlooms wrote:
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SpiritBlooms wrote:
I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.


How exactly do you do away with money?
We don't have money problems we have greed problems and we're not alone in this.
I agree we have greed problems - they grow out of the existence of money. Money is a way of in effect storing energy. The greedy hoard that energy.

I'm sure if everyone uses their imagination a little, the idea of no money wouldn't seem so outlandish. There were eons of the existence of humans in which there was no money. OMG, how'd we survive that?! !? :wink:


It would be conceivable to do away with if there was no scarcity of resources or social hierarchy relying upon it


I liked the idea of single payetr system. As a better opiton over universal healthcare.



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02 Jul 2012, 5:27 pm

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I will go so far as to say, if money gets in the way of people getting the health care they need, then maybe it's time to do away with money.

Or, at the very least, base it on life and on the time one lives and works rather than on debt. The credit basis for creating money (and hoarding wealth in the form of the indebtedness of others) in the US is inhumane, it's disrespectful of life, and it's doomed to eventual failure. The government can only prop up the too-big-to-fail banks for so long before they'll flutter onto the ground in a deflated heap, just like any house of cards.


How exactly do you do away with money?
We don't have money problems we have greed problems and we're not alone in this.
I agree we have greed problems - they grow out of the existence of money. Money is a way of in effect storing energy. The greedy hoard that energy.

I'm sure if everyone uses their imagination a little, the idea of no money wouldn't seem so outlandish. There were eons of the existence of humans in which there was no money. OMG, how'd we survive that?! !? :wink:


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There were eons of the existence of humans in which there was no money. OMG, how'd we survive that?


Yes, but things are a little more complicated these days. How do you COMPENSATE each step of the process so that it can, in turn, COMPENSATE it's own suppliers, employees, etc....?
There has to be some kind of liquid medium/currency that is transferable.