Bad things that could happen if marijuana was legalized?

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11 Jul 2012, 1:06 pm

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We'll become a nation of potheads. That alone is disgusting enough.


Canada already is, get with the program :P

Seriously though, I suspect there would be a brief spike in use and then it would taper off. Though it depends on *how* it is legalized. If it became legal to grown your own, I strongly believe the use of marijuana in general would go down. Why? Because anyone who really wanted to smoke it would grow it themselves, it would never leave their property.


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11 Jul 2012, 6:21 pm

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(fentanyl is more powerful then heroine....by alot.....).......heroine was once common practice...


Once upon a time Heroin was actually a trademarked name, like Aspirin. Bayer sought (and received) trademark status for both in 1898....

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Other companies took note, and Bayer followed by registering Aspirin and Heroin in 1898, names with far more resonance to this day than acetylsalicylic acid or diactylmorphine. The basis for both of these painkillers had first been created close to fifty years earlier so Aspirin and Heroin were new social rather than pharmaceutical creations.

from [url=http://www.amazon.com/Pharmageddon-David-Healy/dp/0520270983/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342018060&sr=8-1&keywords=pharmageddon"]Pharmageddon (amzn link)[/url], David Healy, p. 25 (2012)


Pity the Amazon link skips the page I'm quoting from. :( Still, it is kind of amusing that the name Heroin is a pure invention, done simply to differentiate it from its (generic?) competitors. And I guess the name as a "social creation" has been wildly successful if nothing else. Though I doubt the good folks at Bayer point to it as one of their accomplishments.

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(methamphetamine is prescribed though not in crystal form)
(Speed is adderall....)


I'm not saying adderall isn't an amphetamine, since it obviously is. But I'm also pretty sure Adderall doesn't have any "methyl" type stuff in it, which I thought was the reason you could get so high so quick off crystal meth. And to go further out on a limb/parade my ignorance I also thought the amphetamines in Pseudoephedrine are different from the ones in Adderall. Though, even if they are, that might mean beans in terms of ultimate affect on the body, I guess. But, maybe not. Given the high level of knowledge on this board, hopefully somebody will mosey by and point out the errors in this paragraph.

World's Edge - popping 30 mg Adderall XR daily since 2010 :)


alot of people think of crystal meth as speed.....i just think it as meth...

speed in street terms to me is amphetamines (usually the type found in adderall without the time release) its a tannish poweder people snort up their nose where as crystal meth is typically smoked.
effects are pretty similar to meth probably...i don't know never done either only seen them.



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13 Jan 2014, 5:09 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
We'll become a nation of potheads. That alone is disgusting enough.


We are a nation of pill-poppers already. What's the difference?

A third of the country is on psychoactive pills for depression or anxiety, another quarter is on opiates and pain killers for legit medical conditions or other reasons... then we've got most young women in this country on birth-control pills that chemically alters your reproductive sytem... turning them (all politics aside) into some sort of sterile human workhorse... and taking their best reproductive years away from them to have kids when they're older... with genetically more of a chance of being born with disorders like us... pot is not any worse than those things, that's why millions of people across the world partake in it and have through thousands of years of (censored, but archeologically proven) human history. It has helped people survive mentally things that would otherwise crush people like wars, plagues, and starvation... it has helped more people than we can imagine.

So it mellows you out... what's the big deal? If anything it will lower the rate of violent crimes, wars, etc..



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13 Jan 2014, 8:07 am

The biggest reason that I support decriminalization (more so than legalization) is the insane number of people serving extensive sentences for non-violent marijuana crime. It costs more to house a prisoner than the average annual wage in the US for every single one of them. Not to mention the massive costs for law enforcement for crimes that hurt few.

The only real reason I can think of for legalization: regulation = control. Abolition = no control.


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13 Jan 2014, 11:06 am

Legalize it, decriminalize it, whatever, but by now it should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that the war on drugs :roll: has been ineffective and has ruined countless lives for little to no actual gain.


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13 Jan 2014, 11:55 am

Answering my oppinion toward differents questions in this thread:

"-Cartels could start pushing stronger drugs such as meth and crack cocaine to keep their profits up." - They can only sell you what people want. There are many people that want Marihuana, because of it being similar dangerous as alcohol (dont get me wrong, alcohol can be dangerous in my oppinion if misused, and that goes as well for Marihuana, but if you enjoy it from now and then, just like with alcohol you hardly have any negative side effects), but rather few that want meth, crack or whatever. So some f****d up people use it, but the majority of people would not care if cartels are pushing crack or not. Its simply a chemical s**t product, ruining your body, so I´d never taste it, anyway how much someone pushes it.

"-Possibly more accidents that lead to emergency rooms and similar issues." - Just like with alcohol, you simply have to create laws that forbid using marihuana in certain situations. (During work, when driving, ...) Nope you might not get it, if one of your coworkers, might drink an half glass of beer every now and then during lunch. But if someone does so regularly, then you normally recognize that sooner or later. With Marihuana it will be quiet similar. If you are stoned every day of work, then maybe your chef wont force you to do a test, but he will simply fire you sooner or later the normal way.

"-How would someone be tested for driving while high? If someone (probably just people that smoked it a lot) were tested they would test positive even if it was a few weeks ago that they smoked marijuana." - I dont know how exactly it is down, but here in Europe in the Netherlands Marihuana is legal. So I dont know how, but around the borders to the neighbor countries of netherlands, police forces are regularly testing for drivers, that have smoked within the last 24 hours. So if you are german, and did visit the netherlands, then it is not forbidden, that you smoked Marihuana in the netherlands, but if you have done so during the last 24 hours and are driving home to germany with your car, then you get sued. So there must be a possibility to recognize "fresh smokers", or they could not do so.

"The worst thing of all. The smell. It will cause medical costs to increase on the long term, chronic smokers who have no reason to not smoke a ton of weed. It will be no worse than alcohol in terms of intoxication rates." - You dont need to smoke it, thats simply the way you do, if you are in a hurry. You can digest it as well, cake cookies and cakes with it, spice your pizza, as well that vaporizing gets more and more common. A vaporizer is an device that causes with hot steam the ingrediences of the marijuana to get into the air, and you simply inhale that.

"It causes cancer." Nope. The pure tobacco and the use of no filter, that marijuana smokers use, causes the cancer. As described, you dont need to smoke it.

"I don't know if they would drink less. People like the mystique of alcohol and some would drink and ingest pot at the same time or on different days. Yep, brownies are another option. Just whatever so long as it's not smoking." - In my country its still official forbidden, but as long as you only do it for homeuse and privately, they are very tolerant about it. In general you could say that there are people that more prefer alcohol on festivities and people that prefer marihuana. It simply has different effects. Alcohol normally makes you more socially active, causes you to do more chatting or to be more spontanous and do less thinking. Its more of an "active" drug. Marihuana causes you to get more relaxed, you are far more into thinking about what your opposite says to you. It does not mean that the meaning of "Marijiana gossip" was more useful then that of "alcohol gossip", but the way it is exchanged is more "philosophical". And different people simply prefer different ways of enjoying festivities.

"If medical marijuana was made legal what would stop everyone with a backache to get access?" - "why should anyone with a backache be stopped from accessing marijuana?...it works great as a painkiller for backaches.": Works as well great with my typical PMS probs I had once a month. ^^


In general Marihuana is just like alcohol, nothing that people should have extreme oppinions about it. Neither is it completely harmless as extreme "pro-activists" describe it, nor is it the stepdoor to drug-addiction. Just like alcohol it does not have real negative side effects if used from now and then on special occasions, but should not be a part of your daily life. So just like you should care not to be al alcoholic, you should as well care not to become a pothead. But there is a long way between "consuming it from now and then" and "alcoholic/pothead".



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13 Jan 2014, 12:09 pm

Supposedly they can swab your mouth and see if you have smoked within so many hours,I don't know if this would work if you ate a brownie.Look at how many people are driving around zoned out on script.
Years ago I read an excerpt from Lancet that mentioned cannabis users in Jamaica lived longer than the non users.


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13 Jan 2014, 1:54 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
We'll become a nation of potheads. That alone is disgusting enough.


I've got a bottles of three different kinds of benzos right next to me. All prescribed by the same doctor.

As for potheads, the last three presidents used marijuana and harder drugs when they were younger. But they were rich, and rich kids don't get in trouble for things like that.



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13 Jan 2014, 3:19 pm

Bad things that could happen following the legalisation of cannabis:

1) Children in Africa keep dying of malaria and waterborne diseases
2) Terrorists attack 32 major cities, killing millions
3) The universe undergoes heat death

The thing I'd be worried about happening as a result of legalisation would be increased self-medication in inappropriate contexts. Cannabis is already seen as a miracle cure-all by many people, and the sellers would probably hype this "property". This would stop people getting the best treatment possible. However, this already happens all the time.



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13 Jan 2014, 9:56 pm

The only reason I smoke is so I can tolerate all the alcoholics.


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14 Jan 2014, 2:05 pm

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As for potheads, the last three presidents used marijuana and harder drugs when they were younger. But they were rich, and rich kids don't get in trouble for things like that.


If they were serious about the war on drugs, there would be regular raids on every frat house in the US instead of just the poorest neighborhoods.


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14 Jan 2014, 8:43 pm

Large corporations could lobby the government to ban people from growing their own cannabis or something to that effect. Just one negative possibility I see....though even if that did happen I am sure many people would still grow their own plants.


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16 Jan 2014, 9:29 am

More on the stupidity of the war on drugs.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/78817 ... n-drug-war


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17 Jan 2014, 10:55 am

Small town police won't be able to afford their riot gear and SWAT teams:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/10/261476346/side-effect-of-legal-pot-police-budgets-take-a-hit


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