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01 Oct 2012, 10:23 am

of course, the advanced civilization that built Grand Coulee Dam

no longer exists either (we couldn't "afford" it); in another century of cultural decline, the whole 20c will look like space aliens at work.

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01 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm

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The pyramids were used by astrologically superstitious people. For what it's worth, Biblically, one of the other functions of the pyramids could be explained in the story of the tower of Bāběl (Hebrew, gate of the Almighty One). However, I am only speculating.

The Tower of Babel has often been associated with known structures, notably the "Etemenanki", a ziggurat dedicated to Marduk by Nabopolassar (c. 610 BC / c. 9390 HE). The Great Ziggurat of Babylon's base was square (not round), 91 metres (300 ft) in height, and was demolished by Alexander the Great. A Sumerian story with some similar elements is told in "Enmerkar" and the "Lord of Aratta".

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01 Oct 2012, 3:20 pm

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the most hostile environment known to man - deep space

I've heard it said that deep sea is more hostile than deep space.

In the deep sea you have:

Gravity
Oxygen (can be extracted from water through electrolysis)
Water (obviously)
Food (only under some circumstances, and only if you can catch it - there are fish living as deep as 7.5 kilometres)
Heat (although sometimes as low as 0-3 degrees centigrade, but see the space equivalent below)

In deep space you have:

No gravity
No oxygen
No water
No food
No heat (or more precisely, close to 0 degrees Kelvin)

The sheer absence of resources in deep space is what makes it so unforgiving...

At the bottom of the sea, the water pressure is so intense that one wrong move and everyone's dead in a second. So good luck trying to get food, water, or oxygen into the sub without killing everyone. And the temperature in space, at least this close to the sun, is not absolute 0. Radiation is a pro blem spacefarers have to face that seafarers don't, though.

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01 Oct 2012, 3:42 pm

The argument that aliens must have built the pyramids, besides its inherent ridiculousness, stinks of racism. It implies that native African people were incapable of building monumental architecture, so any monuments found in Africa must have been built by non-Africans (be they Atlanteans, Phoenicians, or aliens from another planet). This kind of racist logic belongs in another century!

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01 Oct 2012, 4:01 pm

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01 Oct 2012, 7:23 pm

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Technically, the Egyptians had very little in common with the peoples we usual call "Africans".

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01 Oct 2012, 7:24 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:

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Technically, the Egyptians had very little in common with the peoples we usual call "Africans".

Africans did build pyramids south of Egypt in Nubia and there were times when Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt

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01 Oct 2012, 7:26 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:

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Technically, the Egyptians had very little in common with the peoples we usual call "Africans".

If you are from the continent of Africa, then you are an African. It does not matter if you're from Egypt, Morocco, Rwanda or Namibia -- it's all part of Africa.

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Africans did build pyramids south of Egypt in Nubia and there were times when Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt

Don't forget Great Zimbabwe!

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01 Oct 2012, 7:29 pm

Fnord wrote:

enrico_dandolo wrote:

BrandonSP wrote:

Technically, the Egyptians had very little in common with the peoples we usual call "Africans".

If you are from the continent of Africa, then you are an African. It does not matter if you're from Egypt, Morocco, Rwanda or Namibia -- it's all part of Africa.

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Africans did build pyramids south of Egypt in Nubia and there were times when Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt

Don't forget Great Zimbabwe!

The first rule about Great Zimbabwe is we don't talk about Great Zimbabwe

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01 Oct 2012, 7:40 pm

Fnord wrote:

enrico_dandolo wrote:

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Technically, the Egyptians had very little in common with the peoples we usual call "Africans".

If you are from the continent of Africa, then you are an African. It does not matter if you're from Egypt, Morocco, Rwanda or Namibia -- it's all part of Africa.

It's not a very operational definition. The Sahara desert more or less blocks most exchanges between North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa. Of course, Egypt was precisely the area with the easiest access to Sub-Saharan Africa, and I am aware that there were punctual trade links through the desert. However, for all intents and purposes, they are separated areas. As a matter of fact, they are culturally distinct to this day: we normally refer to North Africans as Arabs and to Sub-Saharan Africans, rather generically and without much thought, as Africans.

As a matter of fact, the Egyptians had more in common with the Phenicians than with any culture you would care to name south of the desert. At the very least, their languages are close to each other, as I understand it.

To put things briefly, one names peoples in accordance with cultural and ethnic criteria (as one perceives them, of course), not geographic locations. Just think of Europe, which is not even a geographic reality at all, yet produces Europeans.

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Africans did build pyramids south of Egypt in Nubia and there were times when Black Pharaohs ruled Egypt

I don't know about pyramids in Nubia. However, the very few black Pharaohs are noted for being so. They are the exception, not the rule.

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01 Oct 2012, 7:42 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:

I don't know about pyramids in Nubia. However, the very few black Pharaohs are noted for being so. They are the exception, not the rule.

Now you do. I wonder why nobody thinks aliens built these ones. Not pretty and well known enough?

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01 Oct 2012, 7:44 pm

Thanks!

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01 Oct 2012, 8:02 pm

Fnord wrote:

Atlantis is a myth. The earliest account of Atlantis is by Plato. Any claims of earlier accounts are based on wishful thinking and subjective interpretations of the myth of the Great Flood -- which is most likely to be humanity's oral tradition of the glacial melting and the concurrent sea-level rise about 12,000 years ago after the most recent Ice Age.

Wrong. Atlantis DID exist and was located on the Island of Thera; which is now a submerged Caldera with 2 major islets sticking out of the Sea. Have a look for yerself:

What I find far more fascinating in Egypt than the pyramids is the Sphinx. The date of its origins is much debated, but it appears to be several thousand years older than the Pyramids!

There is a chamber beneath it which has yet to be opened but permission to do so has not yet been granted. If the Sphinx was not built by the Egyptians, then who did build it, and why???

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01 Oct 2012, 8:07 pm

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Let's get something crystal clear: Atlantis DID exist and it's location is KNOWN! It was located on the Island of Thera, which is now a submerged Caldera with 2 major islets sticking out of the Sea. Santorini and Akrotiri.

What I find far more fascinating in Egypt than the pyramids is the Sphinx. The date of its origins is much debated, but it appears to be several thousand years older than the Pyramids!

There is a chamber beneath it which has yet to be opened but permission to do so has not yet been granted. If the Sphinx was not built by the Egyptians, then who did build it, and why???

Thank you for throwing your support in with me regarding Atlantis-Thera.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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01 Oct 2012, 8:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

AspieRogue wrote:

There is a chamber beneath it which has yet to be opened but permission to do so has not yet been granted. If the Sphinx was not built by the Egyptians, then who did build it, and why???

Thank you for throwing your support in with me regarding Atlantis-Thera.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Don't mention it. Fnord is so full of sh*t..........Maybe he think it makes him look cool and irreverent but I say his ego is bigger than his entire brain.

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01 Oct 2012, 9:18 pm

I heard that recently they found what was thought to be Atlantis in Spain, right out side the Pillars of Hercules. You know, right were Plato said it was.

But wikipedia says that the Spanish government is accusing the scientist that claimed this of jumping to conclusions.

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