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What Style of Religious Person Are You?
Monotheist 22%  22%  [ 11 ]
Polytheist 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Pantheist 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
Agnostic 14%  14%  [ 7 ]
Atheist 41%  41%  [ 21 ]
Other 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 51

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08 Oct 2012, 2:04 pm

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]Being a Noahide is not at all spirtually fulfilling; it has actually been the source my depression, and it's like a spiritual limbo...plus, there is no guarantee whatsoever that a Noahide will even merit a place in the world to come.- This lifestyle may seem easier and it may seem more convenient but to me it does not feel nice at all; I feel like an irrelevant human being that lacks any purpose in this world...I don't want to subject myself for this torment for the rest of my life.


Read Pirke Avot, the six books of the mishna tora. Right up front: All the righteous of the Earth have a portion in the world to come....

You don't have to be Jewish to have a place in the world to come. You have to be righteous which means you keep the Noah laws plus any others that are consistent with them, if you so choose. Unitarians are welcome to the world to come along with secular humanists.

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08 Oct 2012, 2:07 pm

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KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:

]Being a Noahide is not at all spirtually fulfilling; it has actually been the source my depression, and it's like a spiritual limbo...plus, there is no guarantee whatsoever that a Noahide will even merit a place in the world to come.- This lifestyle may seem easier and it may seem more convenient but to me it does not feel nice at all; I feel like an irrelevant human being that lacks any purpose in this world...I don't want to subject myself for this torment for the rest of my life.


Read Pirke Avot, the six books of the mishna tora. Right up front: All the righteous of the Earth have a portion in the world to come....

You don't have to be Jewish to have a place in the world to come. You have to be righteous which means you keep the Noah laws plus any others that are consistent with them, if you so choose. Unitarians are welcome to the world to come along with secular humanists.

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...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


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08 Oct 2012, 2:13 pm

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...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


You are a tough customer. It is not enough to be upright, have morally clean hands and treat other persons justly? What else are you looking for?

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08 Oct 2012, 2:15 pm

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:

]Being a Noahide is not at all spirtually fulfilling; it has actually been the source my depression, and it's like a spiritual limbo...plus, there is no guarantee whatsoever that a Noahide will even merit a place in the world to come.- This lifestyle may seem easier and it may seem more convenient but to me it does not feel nice at all; I feel like an irrelevant human being that lacks any purpose in this world...I don't want to subject myself for this torment for the rest of my life.


Read Pirke Avot, the six books of the mishna tora. Right up front: All the righteous of the Earth have a portion in the world to come....

You don't have to be Jewish to have a place in the world to come. You have to be righteous which means you keep the Noah laws plus any others that are consistent with them, if you so choose. Unitarians are welcome to the world to come along with secular humanists.

ruveyn
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


Not to sound like an a**hole, but what if Judaism isn't spiritually fulfilling for you, either? Perhaps something internally needs to learn how to be fulfilled, first.

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08 Oct 2012, 2:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


You are a tough customer. It is not enough to be upright, have morally clean hands and treat other persons justly? What else are you looking for?

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I sure am...
...In answer to your questions, "No, they're not enough for me"...I want to feel like I'm a part of something; like I belong. I want to wake up everyday feeling like I have a purpose. I want to feel like I have something to live for; that I have a role to play in the world.- How better to feel this than to fulfill the mitzvot?

...I know it's probably hard for most Jews to imagine why a ger would want to become Jewish; I myself cannot fully explain in words why I want to be Jewish, but what I can say is that I feel 'drawn to it'.


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08 Oct 2012, 2:23 pm

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


You are a tough customer. It is not enough to be upright, have morally clean hands and treat other persons justly? What else are you looking for?

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I sure am...
...In answer to your questions, "No, they're not enough for me"...I want to feel like I'm a part of something; like I belong. I want to wake up everyday feeling like I have a purpose. I want to feel like I have something to live for; that I have a role to play in the world.- How better to feel this than to fulfill the mitzvot?

...I know it's probably hard for most Jews to imagine why a ger would want to become Jewish; I myself cannot fully explain in words why I want to be Jewish, but what I can say is that I feel 'drawn to it'.


A ger? Is that short for German?

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08 Oct 2012, 2:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:

]Being a Noahide is not at all spirtually fulfilling; it has actually been the source my depression, and it's like a spiritual limbo...plus, there is no guarantee whatsoever that a Noahide will even merit a place in the world to come.- This lifestyle may seem easier and it may seem more convenient but to me it does not feel nice at all; I feel like an irrelevant human being that lacks any purpose in this world...I don't want to subject myself for this torment for the rest of my life.


Read Pirke Avot, the six books of the mishna tora. Right up front: All the righteous of the Earth have a portion in the world to come....

You don't have to be Jewish to have a place in the world to come. You have to be righteous which means you keep the Noah laws plus any others that are consistent with them, if you so choose. Unitarians are welcome to the world to come along with secular humanists.

ruveyn
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


Not to sound like an a**hole, but what if Judaism isn't spiritually fulfilling for you, either? Perhaps something internally needs to learn how to be fulfilled, first.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You don't sound like an "a**hole"; you're actually asking a good question...I cannot really answer that, but like what I said in my previous post..."I feels/seems right".


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08 Oct 2012, 2:25 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


You are a tough customer. It is not enough to be upright, have morally clean hands and treat other persons justly? What else are you looking for?

ruveyn
I sure am...
...In answer to your questions, "No, they're not enough for me"...I want to feel like I'm a part of something; like I belong. I want to wake up everyday feeling like I have a purpose. I want to feel like I have something to live for; that I have a role to play in the world.- How better to feel this than to fulfill the mitzvot?

...I know it's probably hard for most Jews to imagine why a ger would want to become Jewish; I myself cannot fully explain in words why I want to be Jewish, but what I can say is that I feel 'drawn to it'.


A ger? Is that short for German?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
No, it's the Hebrew word for a Gentile. :)


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08 Oct 2012, 2:37 pm

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
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KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
...but it's NOT spiritually fulfilling. I've also attended a Unitarian church before, and it just wasn't right for me.


You are a tough customer. It is not enough to be upright, have morally clean hands and treat other persons justly? What else are you looking for?

ruveyn
I sure am...
...In answer to your questions, "No, they're not enough for me"...I want to feel like I'm a part of something; like I belong. I want to wake up everyday feeling like I have a purpose. I want to feel like I have something to live for; that I have a role to play in the world.- How better to feel this than to fulfill the mitzvot?

...I know it's probably hard for most Jews to imagine why a ger would want to become Jewish; I myself cannot fully explain in words why I want to be Jewish, but what I can say is that I feel 'drawn to it'.


A ger? Is that short for German?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
No, it's the Hebrew word for a Gentile. :)


Okay.
I was going to say, the German Gentiles have discovered they have a surprising degree of Jewish ancestry. The late author and poet Charles Bukowski - whose mother had been a German immigrant, and whose father was a German American (Prussian, thus explaining his Slavic sounding name) - learned he had some Jewish ancestry. Myself, I'm largely of German extraction, and my maternal Grandmother's maiden name had been Abramovske, despite the fact that her family had been Lutherans. Since the end of the Second World War, many people in Germany are open about having Jews in their family histories.

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08 Oct 2012, 4:13 pm

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A ger? Is that short for German?

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Hebrew for dweller or inhabitant. A ger tzeddik (a righteous dweller or inhabitant) is a non-Jewish inhabitant of the holy land who abides by the Noah laws.

When Abraham dwelled among the inhabitants of Canaan he referred to himself as a ger of the land.

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08 Oct 2012, 4:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

A ger? Is that short for German?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Hebrew for dweller or inhabitant. A ger tzeddik (a righteous dweller or inhabitant) is a non-Jewish inhabitant of the holy land who abides by the Noah laws.

When Abraham dwelled among the inhabitants of Canaan he referred to himself as a ger of the land.

ruveyn


In the words of the late William Burroughs: "Inerasting."
Yes, "interesting" is supposed to be misspelled.

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