America - Love It or Leave It.

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It's the classical fundie perspective, love me or else...

Neither Obama or Romney served in the military.

It was the harsh Russian environment that defeated the Nazi's as much as anything.

Deal.

But please also keep America out of my country. My oil is mine, not Cheney's.

Thanks.

That's beside the point.

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you didn't earn s**t. Any moron can put on some camouflage and carry a gun. It's not anything special, and there's nothing noble about shooting people. Get over yourself already, for f**k's sake. People like you are the reason I don't want to live in this country anymore, and they're also the reason why america is hated around the world. You've done jack s**t to defend me or my freedoms. Name one way in which you have.

What are you waiting for? Someone to show you the way out?

America doesn't need any whiners or complainers; we need people who get things done, and who know the real meaning of service and sacrifice. Because it is not the whining complainer who matters; not the loser who points out how the winner stumbled, or where the successful people could have done better; and not the slacker who claims that a veteran's service and sacrifice are meaningless.

The credit belongs to the person who is actually doing the work, whose hands are scarred, calloused and bloody; who soldiers on; who makes mistakes, and who comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming.

The credit belongs to those actually strive to get things done; those who knows great enthusiasms and the great devotions; those who spend themselves in a worthy cause; those who (at best) know the triumph of high achievement, and who (at worst), if they fail, they at least fail while daring greatly to to great things, so that they shall never be counted with those cold and cynical souls for whom service and sacrifice are things they feel should be given to them, who never tried to make things better, and who thus never experienced either victory or defeat.

There's the door...

Right, i was wondering when you'd bring up the old WW2 canard.

It was in America's interests to defeat the Nazis, otherwise it would have another post war enemy on its hands. Anyway, America's contribution to the war is grossly overstated. Not only were you lot LATE (twice in as many world wars) arguably the Soviet Union did more to defeat the nazis than anyone else. They held back 5 million of Hitler's army and sacrificed 27 millions troops in comparison in the process to America's 1 million.

Also Germany and Japan weren't strictly 'liberated' they just lost the war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki certainly paid the price of entry for their 'liberation'.



The American government has committed plenty of dishonorable, foolish and vicious acts in my living memory. Just the tea party hat you're wearing is covering your eyes.



The Irish tiger was built on unsustainable economic factors which is why it went under. China can outproduce the west at a far lower cost which is why the west will never economically outperform it.

Admit it Augustus, your holy Roman empire has hit its peak.

Fnord, What would you do if you were completely in charge of the USA? This I wonder You frighten me so.

You are very militaristic, cold, machine-like, unquestionable obedience, and contempt for the weak. Is this what America truthfully stands for? You deal in absolutes Fnord and you are a very dangerous man.

Everyone, I see America heading to what Fnord stands for and in Fnord's America certain people will not be desired nor wanted. It is happening today and one example is the employment personality tests. Here is the thing. Just because Fnord is certain things and possesses certain possible sociopathic qualites does not mean he is not wrong on certain things. If the USA does go in a direction we do not like I do think it is time to leave. If we're to better ourselves I do believe wisdom sometimes comes from our enemies. He is mostly correct about our complaining. If all we do is complain then we play into this man's hands and we do not benefit ourselves at all. I am taking certain measures myself to better my own situation in my own life. Eventually, I think it is time for us and all of our loved ones to go someway somehow. I hope I am wrong.

Honestly, if we commit to something we do need to stick it out no matter how difficult it gets or else Fnord is right about what he says.

My opinion, it is a matter of survival now. If anyone has further thoughts please pm me.

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Get over yourself and take a seat on that flagpole of yours... You know, the one that's got the hypocrisy flag attached to it.

"america doesn't need whiners..." Oh really? What the f**k do you think you're doing right now, you dumbass? My ancestors won this country's freedom, so you can sit and spin, buddy. Invading foreign nations and killing their people just cuz some dick in a suit tells you to isn't noble.

Everyone who whines and complains about the problems faced by this sick society is not doing so because they are sitting on their lay butt not trying to earn a living(just to point out a little fact you seem to have missed). Plenty of people working their ass off are having a hard time making a living, disabled people who cant work are working their asses off in various ways trying to get help so maybe they can function.

Not to mention many who b***h and complain about these issues cant exactly afford to leave, you certainly have the right to demand that they do though I just wouldn't expect any real results. Also its not like the U.S is some great savior of the world even half the military probably knows that I only base that on opinions of people I've met who have been in the military.

You sure complain a lot for someone who b*****s about other people bitching and complaining, anyways carry on.

He is not going to listen to you.

I would have to ask this of you Fnord. How were you able to keep up in basic training? How did you keep up with the military drills they had you do? Didn't you have to coordinate yourself with the rest of your squad? How were you able to coordinate yourself and do everything at the same time as the rest of your squad? If you were out of sync were you screamed at and how did you deal with that? Did you ever miss orders or only understood part of your commanding officer's orders because of some sound or chaos? Did this occur frequently? How did you overcome it? Did you ever have meltdowns in the military? Were you ever disciplined by your superiors for various things and offenses? What was your final rank and position when you got out? What were you discharged for? Did you lead a squad on your own? How were you able to pull that off? Were you ever in a high combat situation? How did you manage yourself in a high combat and high stress situation? How were you able to make instant and quick decisions that involved your life and your squad's lives? If the situation became intense how did you distinguish friendly fire from enemy fire? How were you able to conduct yourself as a soldier of the military without your aspiness getting in the way? Either you are being dishonest about some things, you're higher functioning in a number of ways than some of those on here, you have an angle someway, somehow.

What did you do Fnord to overcome your symptoms of AS, function effectively in the military and function in society at all? What were your tools Fnord and what were your techniques that you used? Can you tell us in concrete, specific and literal terms?

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Maybe we should appoint Fnord the position of Decider of who has an actual disability or not....no that would be terrible. People shouldn't just assume they can judge how disabled someone is over the internet.

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Exactly. If I could afford to get out, I would.