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Nope, it clearly said that THC destroys ACh. I think it was the one from livescience

We have science confliction here! Its like a religious person getting back into a corner and his beliefs destroyed because he turns to 'it just is' answers. This is the same, only instead of religion, its science failing miserably. Its failed to provide proof or disproof. What do we conclude? I conclude choice

All I know is that science isnt the ends to anything, its just reassurance to whatever claims we want.

ok im convinced man, thanku for making me see the light....i'm gonna stop doing it because my ACh is being destroyed....but if by stopping it i don't become immortal...and i still die someday i'm blaming u!

i am going to instead turn to a drug that is more moral in our societies eyes, nope not something that is biologically natural..containing the same ingredient THC that also occurs in our heads naturally..instead a chemical process that gives u: alcohol

i am also going to ignore that silly science that says it will cause me liver damage, heart disease, cancer, pancreatitis, brain damage(leading to korsakoffs disease if u do it enough), high blood pressure etc etc ..and ofcourse has the propensity to turn ppl into aggressive dickheads by lowering their state of consciousness instead of enhancing it

thanks man...

Where did I state that alcohol is any better than marijuana?
Alcohol is just as bad, but saying that marijuana is any less dangerous socially is BS. People are arrested for committing crimes under the influence of marijuana. I can even name some personal experiences where a smoking "buddy" always wanted to fight me when we were high. Marijuana also causes liver damage, as well as a myriad of other side effects. I don't think saying "This drug is less harmfull than the other" because all drugs are harmfull. Hell, even medications are harmfull!
I was prescribed Viox, a pain supressant for my knee injury some years back. Now its taken off the market because it causes heart attacks!

Then whats your point? Simply that marijuana is harmful? Thats too much a generalization, if thats your point. You're making it seem that everything is just harmful and generalizing.

People commit crime under the influence? Who cares! TONS of people commit crime sober, too

Go back and read it again. slowly.

It DOES say THC breaks down AChE
It DOES say AChE breaks down Acetylcholine

Nowhere in the quote given does it say THC breaks down acetylcholine

First let me nod a sup to Corvus and the other pot smokers.

Pot is great, if my choices are to take a bunch of prescribed chemical pills every day to be happy or just smoke a nickel bag or two, I'm going to go with the natural herb that people have been using for hundreds if not thousands of years and just pass on the artificial pill that jacks your brain chemistry around. I'm a big supporter of the medical community, but the medicinal aspect of psycology is the equivalent of takeing a sledgehammer to a tacking nail.

I'll assume we are debating whether weed should be legal and stipulate that it probly is harmful in some way (But they just announced a studdy that celery or lettuce or somthing causes pancreus cancer..).

Law is ment to reflect society, not form or contain it. Law has to reflect acsepted society norms as the reverse will never happen. The problem is that pot being illegal deveates from the reality of society. There is a major misconception by the general public as to how many people smoke weed on a constant basis (constant basis being once a day if able). I am sure the often stoner claimed figure of 50% is to high, but a figure of 15 to 20 percent I would say is quite accurate.

And while your average teenage pophead that just sits around and breaks stuff is in the demographic, they are by no means the majority. Most people that smoke weed have jobs or go to school. They have families, houses, friends, hobbies, and everything else a normal person has.

The pot smoking subculture is huge and we are a force to be reckoned with. Don't fall prey to the commonly excepted views spotted by the media. We arn't a few forgetful hippies dropping a dime bag here and a "lid" there. We are everywhere. I've smoked weed with stock brokers, soldiers, cops, firemen, electricians, all types of FedExUPSAirBornDHL workers, cashiers, weilders, farmers, truck drivers, teachers, ganstas, homeless people, students, out of work people, ect, ect.

To get an idea of how prevalent pot smoking is, you just have to examine the industry that supports it. Think back to the last time you heard of a big weed bust by the cops of your local city area. For me that is an area with about half a million people, give or take, and the last big bust was 100-300 pounds (let me tell you, after that bust things sucked for the next week). To most people that have just never studied the culture and know nothing about weed (put most of your average cops in this category), this sounds like alot of weed and the cops pat themselves on the back and maybe someone gets a promotion.

But 300 pounds is nothing. A bottom end deal, call it Retail, in an area with 500k people that buys oznses(28 grams) at 100 - 200 dollars and sells 7 or 8 1/8ths at 25 - 40 dollars each can move quater to half a pound a day, easy. But thats just the guy whos apartment everybody pulls up at, goes in, smokes a bowl/bong/whatever, gets a bag, and splits, probly seeing several dozen clients a day.

Just take one step up to the Wholesaler, to the guy our first dealer gets his ounces off of. This guy probly has a family, a nice car, good cloths, new tv, lots of video games, movies, new furniture, the girlfriend/wife probly goes shoping alot, and he buys atleast a pound at a time, mabye 2. This guy is most generally know as 'The Dude', 'The Man', 'My Guy', or 'My Boy'. This guy pays between 800 and 1500 per pound. Most of these guys will sell ounces, but prefer to sell by the QP (Quarter Pound) or half pound and probly have a dozen or more clients. Markup generally runs 50 to 100 per QP. If you just a smoker like me, this is the guy to know as he may sell you half bags and quarters on the cheap and even front dime or two when you need it. But back to point, in the same afore mention area of 500k people, this guy may move anywhere from 1 to 3 pounds in a day, average 10 pounds a week not counting sunday .

Move up one more step to the Supplier. This guy has all the stuff the Wholesaler did, but better, this guy probly has a brand new car and every thing else lots of disposable income gets you. He doesn't buy less then 10 pounds if he can help it and more often then not he is getting 15 to 20 pounds at a time. This guy pays anywhere from 400 - 1,000 dollars a pound. This guy will have around 6 - 10 regular customers that hit him up for several pounds, atleast once, more likely two to three times a week, sometimes more. If we go with low figures of 6 regulars that get 2 pounds each twice a week that comes out to 24 pounds a week and from my experience that is a low average, I'd place it about 35-40 pounds a week on average.

And that is just one supplier. In the example area of 500,000 people there are probly 50 or so Suppliers. If we say 50 Suppliers at 24 pounds a week each, that works out to a conservative figure of 1200 pounds, per week. Thats 4800 pounds a month per half a million people. Take that times 300 million people in america.. 2,880,000 pounds a month. If each sells 34 pounds each per week, the per week figure is 1700, per month 6800, and per month in america 4,080,000 pounds. Now these are not official figures or anything, just the base math extrapolated out, but it gives you an idea of how much pot is bought, sold, and smoked.

The bottom line of all this is Law is just words on paper and people trying to inforce them and if so many people are smoking pot without causing harm to society as a whole then lawenforcement is wasting its time busting people for it when they could be fighting real crime or atleast stopping harmful drugs like the mentioned crack, heroine, and koke... Oyea, and X, prescription abuse, meth, and the big one, alchohal.

In the law sense it is just like prohibition, it was a nice idea, but were just not going to stop doing it and if they ever.

Personally I am not for the legalization of pot. Its the last market that isn't run by corporations, governments, or organized crime. It is the last true freemarket economy.

awesome post...interesting ending...i dunno...visiting amsterdam...being able just to buy it from a shop...that had a menu that had 20 different types on it..and their different effects....some visual ones..some thought provoking ones...some relaxing strains etc....was a pretty nice experience...

NB. for anyone thinking of taking the pilgrimage there..def checkout 'grey area'...tis actually run by a couple of americans(cool guys they were!)... not the best place to sit and relax...but definately good for quality/variety etc...tis preferred by the locals
http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/Databa ... /Grey.html
blurb: Grey Area is a tiny place with a huge reputation. It has some of the finest weed anywhere in the known universe.

also...i recommend 'bubble5' if they still have it on the menu

Personally I strongly support decriminalisation of possession, use and small-scale cultivation of marijuana (as well as a few others) for personal use.
Prohibition has not, does not and will not work. It's long past time a reasonable solution was arrived at. Kneejerk reactions a la "Drugs are bad, pot will kill you, mkay?" are ludicrous and absurd.


... dammit, you bastards dragged me back into this topic
Grrrr.
Least I kept it short this time.

A lot of amsterdam coffeeshops sell the same sh***y 'gritweed' thats taken over the UK. Buds dipped/sprayed in artificial contaminants to bulk it up and increase 'bag appeal'. Some of the additives are merely carcinogenic (sugars etc) others (silica dust) are probably much worse.

Decriminalization doesnt work

e2a: grey area & barneys have good reputations AFAIK (never been myself)

why do you think decriminalization doesn't work? does ur worry of the effects of capitalism outwiegh ur worry of prosecution eheh

i think saying some stores suck...is sorta like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.....in the same way you could say decriminalizing food chains/restaurants doesn't work because macdonalds exist. (its prolly true to say the quality of most things across the board is pretty shite....so maybe a total overhaul of the system would help...but while it exists as it does...i don't see pot suffering worse than other things do...tis upto discernment ala 'grey area' in this case)

decriminalizing would also allow you to grow it urself at home etc....you wouldn't have to contaminate ur own plants with anything...

The great thing about cops doing a drug bust is proof that the laws don't work.

Calgary just had one. The stupid part is - its not the first, it definately won't be the last. < -- DOESN'T WORK! Hello, McFly (society), anyone home McFly?

Some co-worker felt proud that she and her community found a weed house on their street. I just rolled my eyes at her. She saved my life and she prevented a TON of crime, especially crime I would have committed because of weed. If she came over to my house, she'd see me committing all sorts of crime - she'd find me on the floor of an apartment that a 'buddhist' lives in, sitting infront of a candle with the lights off meditating for an hour - SHE SAVED HUMANITY!!

Good work

This article is a great analysis of misconceptions about Marijuana. This is not my blog.