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08 Nov 2012, 6:47 pm
08 Nov 2012, 8:23 pm
CornerPuzzlePieces wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
I don't want America to turn into some third world country where people are dying of starvation and disease, while a small majority are living in extreme luxury.
Eh/ Um/ Hmm.
Naw, not worth it... Carry on sir.
You're acting like this is an over exaggeration, but this concern has a real historical basis. There's been a tendency int he past for the few to hoard resources, while everyone else is excluded. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a privileged class at all or that people can't have more things than others but that a certain amount of welfare reallocation is necessary to prevent gross third world poverty, as well as maintaining upward mobility. We need a safety net so there's less to tie people down with when they're trying to get out of poverty. Its much easier to pay for schooling to get a better job when you don't have to be pre-occupied as much with feeding yourself or paying for medical bills.
You didn't really do anything to challenge this concern on any logical grounds other than dismiss it as crazy or frivolous. Were not really ever going to meet any consensus or common ground in this country until people stop doing this to each other. Its just mental masturbation.
08 Nov 2012, 8:43 pm
JNathanK wrote:
Its just mental masturbation.
Speaking of which
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romn ... ction.html
08 Nov 2012, 9:03 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
Its just mental masturbation.
Speaking of which
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romn ... ction.html
He doesn't really say how either. What I don't really like about the Republican party as of late is that many of its members think that slashing the safety net will immediately lead to more jobs. What could happen is people could be left without jobs, as well as being without food or shelter while work continues to be outsourced from the nation. Its very ideological and not based in reason. I think the market should be allowed to thrive, but one of the main stipulations should be that, for those that private enterprise doesn't have jobs for, taxation should be used to put food in their pantries and a roof over their heads. Access to these most basic necessities for survival is arguably a human right. As well, I think that the general welfare of a nation is just as important for stability and cohesion, just as much as roads and military, if not more so.
The argument shouldn't be whether to have welfare or not but how much is spent on it and in what context, because context changes with time. Only a mind poisoned by the superstition of ideological purity, and not self governed by reason, believes that some extreme will lead to the perfect system.
12 Nov 2012, 6:45 pm
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13 Nov 2012, 3:38 am
JNathanK wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
Its just mental masturbation.
Speaking of which
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romn ... ction.html
He doesn't really say how either. What I don't really like about the Republican party as of late is that many of its members think that slashing the safety net will immediately lead to more jobs. What could happen is people could be left without jobs, as well as being without food or shelter while work continues to be outsourced from the nation. Its very ideological and not based in reason. I think the market should be allowed to thrive, but one of the main stipulations should be that, for those that private enterprise doesn't have jobs for, taxation should be used to put food in their pantries and a roof over their heads. Access to these most basic necessities for survival is arguably a human right. As well, I think that the general welfare of a nation is just as important for stability and cohesion, just as much as roads and military, if not more so.
The argument shouldn't be whether to have welfare or not but how much is spent on it and in what context, because context changes with time. Only a mind poisoned by the superstition of ideological purity, and not self governed by reason, believes that some extreme will lead to the perfect system.
I somewhat agree. Our politics have become vague because we already know what both sides want. Independents fear is who both sides is trying to calm, so they have to speak vaguely to the common denominator that brings most people together, and in a language that even disgruntled members of the opposition may relate to.
Slashing the safety nets won't create more jobs. Slashing the safety nets is something that is necessary for a country's long term viability. It'll also cut government inefficiencies, and if possible they won't run deficits... perhaps even return a surplus. With the fall of the dollar, work is outsourced to more work-friendly states, or to Mexico. I don't know if the Obama administration knowingly intended the devaluation of the dollar but the process has made his efforts to be a leading export nation possible.
It seems what you are suggesting is that we provide more welfare to poor Americans then are already given to them? Bush doubled the % of poor Americans who do not have to pay any taxes. What are you suggesting we do in terms of SNAP? The question isn't whether we provide government assistance to those at the very very bottom. The question is which system incentivizes and propels them out of the cycle of poverty the fastest, and upward mobility into the middle class. Providing benefits may trap them if we don't help them find jobs and put conditions for them to meet while on it.
13 Nov 2012, 8:57 am
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