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ruveyn
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08 Nov 2012, 10:02 pm

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You sound like you're bordering on snide insult, which I don't appreciate. If.


Learn to distinguish mordant and sardonic wit from insult. If I were to insult you (which I have no desire to do) you would know that you were insulted.

As to the rest, our genes set the bounds within which what little free will we have can operate. We cannot transcend our basic biological nature. We live in our skins. Get used to it.

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08 Nov 2012, 10:24 pm

ruveyn wrote:
JNathanK wrote:

You sound like you're bordering on snide insult, which I don't appreciate. If.


Learn to distinguish mordant and sardonic wit from insult. If I were to insult you (which I have no desire to do) you would know that you were insulted.

As to the rest, our genes set the bounds within which what little free will we have can operate. We cannot transcend our basic biological nature. We live in our skins. Get used to it.

ruveyn


Ok, whatever, Yes, I agree we have limitations to our free will (not arguing this), but paying too much attention to the limitations is unhealthy. I think its better to focus on what you can change in yourself. That's all I'm saying, and there's plenty of room for it. I know I can, on a personal level, learn to improve myself and be a more just and decent person to people in my daily life. I can, by a choice, be less bitter to people and more kind and just. I know I can, by a choice, not focus so much on blaming external factors for my predicaments and learn to take up personal responsibility for things. The capacity for this exists, and its very real. I've seen people change their whole lives around for the better, and to deny this is to deny something very fundamental to human experience. Yah, we can't transcend our basic biological nature. We can't stop needing food or water, but we can stop being as petty to others, we can stop viewing our selves in a self defeating way, we can learn to take responsibility for our own actions, we can get off alcohol, get off drugs, etc etc. Yes, we can't stop being basically human, but for what we can change, its astonishing and even miraculous.



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09 Nov 2012, 4:18 am

thomas81 wrote:
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thewhitrbbit wrote:
Why would you do that?

Do you magically think that eliminating all guns would solve problems? Do you think that removing guns would stop criminals from committing crimes?

If you do, your sadly, sadly mistaken.


Liberals have neither the ability to consider unforeseen consequences of their actions, nor the ability to think more than one move ahead.


Oh theres that conservative vs liberal dichotomy again. It really grates me.


I just call them as I see them. As I hear them talk, as I hear their plans, or lack thereof.

The fact that most democrats allow people like Jay-Z and Bruce Springsteen tell them how they should be voting. The fact that you voted to tank the economy in order to support a self-centered Georgetown law student who can't keep her legs closed. The fact that your wonderful messiah keeps shutting down the proven forms of energy while pissing away money we don't have on solar panels that don't work. The fact that the only thing I've heard out of democrats and their supporters over the last 3 days is "LoL, White People!"

You all go happily off to the dole queue and keep blaming me for slavery.(Which isn't even remotely true.) I'll just kindly turn over to sleep and remember when times were better, and I didn't live in a barrio shanty because that's all we can afford. We'll see if you're singing the same tune 4 years down the road.

Scratch that, you will be. Beyonce told you to sing it, and we wouldn't want her to be mad. Now would we?



09 Nov 2012, 7:29 am

JNathanK wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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I think biological determinism is a self defeating view. Yes, there's some things we can't change, but there is a lot that we can control or self determine about ourselves, and much of this has to do with how we view the world on a philosophical on constructual level. You can change how you approach life by simply re-evaluating and changing your mind about things. The human tragedy isn't that we are deterministic machines, unable to change ourselves in anyway, but that we have the capacity for reason and self improvement, but, by in large, neglect this faculty as a species.


Then we are defeated because it is a true view. It fits the facts.

What the human race needs are some beneficial mutations. Got any?

ruveyn


You sound like you're bordering on snide insult, which I don't appreciate. Its not true in an absolute sense, and it doesn't fit the facts, just from my own personal experience, as well as the countless experiences of others across the world and across history. We can change ourselves in fundamental ways on an individual level. Individuals ultimately make up the collective of humanity, and to deny that humans are incapable of changing in any way is a serious form of denial and a self limiting view. We can change how we look at ourselves, look at others, and approach life. To deny this is to deny one of the very fundamental things that makes being part of the human experience worth anything.

To think that everything that makes you you, everything good and bad, is due solely to genetics and factors out of your control is, at best, an arrogance on par with the race politics of Nazi Germany, and at worst, an inferiority complex of the most severe kind.



I rarely agree with ruveyn, but he is totally correct about this. How is it it "arrogant" to acknowledge the reality of biological determinism? You say that people can fundamentally change their behavior and that things like war and violence can be eliminated, but you have yet to produce any evidence that this is even possible. People have tried very hard to do this during that last century............they failed. If you truly want to change the world on the scale you suggest, you must figure out a way to transcend humanity by creating an entirely new species.