Proof that conservatives are the dangerous and unhinged...

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This thread "proves" two things:

One particular women is dangerously unhinged.

The OP has decidedly to openly join the partisan shit-stirrers, or at the very least forgotten what the word "proof" means.

Healthcare
Right wingers associate government health care with socialist collectivist religions because you are nationalizing, or in the process of, an entire industry. Those who can't afford it are well below 15% of the populace. Of those who don't have insurance, they are young and don't care for it. The remainder don't have it because their employer won't provide it to them, but that's an even smaller %. So you are going to go the way of Europe, a system that does not work, for the sake of such a tiny fraction of the population? Instead of fighting costs that have gone up so that the entry into the healthcare market will be affordable to even them, and for the rest of us who already have it? But results don't matter to the Left. Intending to do good does, and it may do good for a generation or two, but if you are not reproducing at replacement rate to keep an expensive system going, what kind of unsustainable system is that? And who are you to saddle future generations with debt from an unsustainable system? Do you think the Japanese in 2025 will be so thrilled about their health care system when all of the weight of the system will be the burden of fewer and fewer young japanese citizens?

The Right
What % of the right do you think believes that the government is going to take away our guns and march us to UN re-education camps? Please put a number down or else this is a pointless straw man. There is fear of the UN on the right and justifiably so. The US education system is a re-education camp, especially College which is just a left-wing seminary. But even in the K-12, especially in California where History has been reshaped to make certain groups feel better about themselves, and social issues such as womens rights and the environment are given greater importance, and the conscience is blunted, and moral reasoning reshaped to fit with left wing values of Tolerance, Multiculturalism, Equality, Secularism, Environmentalism, Compassion, and Collectivism. They are, in their view, correctly teaching you how to view reality, through the prism of Race, Gender, and Class.

The Left
The Left charges the US as being a fascistic imperialist puppet state, bidding for their corporatist masters, out to rape the planet and enslave the human race. This isn't some fringe element of the Left who believes this, this is half of the left in the United States, every single leftist in Academia, and the over-whelming majority of the Left world wide. Every leftwing best seller posits it in their books. From Chomsky to Lapham to Lakoff to Zinn. It inspires every Left wing revolution, and they never question the validity of those charges. Its just assumed, and massive lies are then built on that faulty assumption. I'm sorry, but to draw out what some fringe right wingers might believe as paradigmatic of a portion of the Right and not acknowledge that this type of thinking pervades pretty much all of the Left, everywhere in the WORLD needs some rethinking.

Gun control and making guns illegal are hardly the same thing.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Tell that to people in Britain. The gun control people would make guns completely illegal if they could, but that would cause more problems than it would solve and would make things a lot more difficult for farmers. Most types of guns are banned here anyway, including a complete ban on handguns (after Dunblane, although an exception must be made for NI) and even shotgun licences aren't totally thrown around everywhere. Northern Ireland is an exception, where a lot of people - mainly ex- coppers - have pistols as personal protection weapons. Guns are widely available for the use of criminal gangs here in Britain, but law-abiding people can't have them, or indeed any weapon for personal protection. Our police (apart from in Central London, for special events, at airports and in Northern Ireland) aren't armed.

I favour a gradual relaxation of gun control laws here (some of our restrictions are insane, like the Olympic pistol shooting team having to go abroad to train), although not to the state of the U.S. or Switzerland unless crime levels fall as a result.

Hong Kong and Singapore have affordable healthcare for everyone. These are bastions of free-market capitalism. Also, there are tons of countries in the world with one form or another of universal healthcare. They are not all "going bankrupt". The claim that universal healthcare is unsustainable just doesn't hold water.

You can criticize Obama's ACA bill all you want. I'd even join you. The problem I have is the Republicans don't offer an alternative that provides affordable coverage to everyone. The only things they're willing to address are tort reform and ways to deal with preexisting conditions. Other than that they are comfortable with the status quo which is also unsustainable IMO.

BTW. Here's a libertarian arguing for universal coverage...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-lewis/does-hong-kong-have-the-w_b_299907.html


It's not a straw man to say the right is currently more of a hardline ideology than the left in the US. The left may dominate academia but they hardly have actual political power or will these days. The more radical left you talk of does not endorse the Democratic party. Unlike the radical right, the radical left don't have a platform with any real power. Why? The radical left can't get corporate money because they'd be a threat to the moneyed interests. The Democratic party walks the center line because they can't get too radical or they'd be biting that corporate hand that feeds them.

Karl Marx saw the exploitative and destructive nature of 19th century Dickensian liassez-faire capitalism up close and personal.

Ancient Israel had socialized medicine but the religious right refuses to recognize that fact.

That's England. No one in America - even on the hard left - advocates taking guns out of the hands of responsible people. Even the late Hunter S. Thompson, who was a left wing wild man, was a gun enthusiast, and would never have advocated such a thing. The Ragin' Cajun, James Carvel - who had put Bill Clinton in the White House - is an enthusiastic gun owner who would never back seizing guns from the public. Gun control entails keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals, mentally ill people, and hopefully out of the hands of people with extreme political and religious viewpoints, that entails hurting the evil unbelievers to usher in a new golden age.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There's a whole lot about the Bible that the religious right refuses to recognize.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

As the John Birch Society also had opposed civil rights for blacks, opposed workers rights, and promoted the crackpot idiocy that Judaism was behind communism, it's clear old man Koch saw what the rest of us see as genuine liberty and social justice as communistic. For God's sake, the Birchers had even monitored The Twilight Zone, thinking something that weird must somehow be communistic. Really, I'm not making this up!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

But the religious right calls themselves fundamentalists which means that they take the Bible literally. The reason why the fundies get away with it is because in modern times there is a separation between Church and medicine with the exception of miracle healings. In ancient days the Priests were the Doctors who accepted tithes which is a 10 percent tax rather than flat fees .

I think she just wanted to run over her husband for her own reasons. Saying it was over him not voting just got her enough media coverage to help fund attorneys.

I myself am a conservative, and frankly I don't really appreciate being called an "idiot goon".

Well, that's because you haven't subscribed to the National Association of Jack-Booted Thugs yet (or at least her American sister organization). I'll gladly give you a hug and a "Zeig Heil!" my compatriot .

Kraichgauer wrote:

So now political allegiance is criteria for who is permitted to own firearms?
And, no, gun control has nothing to do with keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals.
We’ve been round and round on this before.
And WTF is this "golden age"?

Considering the source you should accept it as a compliment.