Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking of women

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22 Nov 2012, 7:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.

Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist.

My logic is that any society that advocates terrorist attacks against innocent, defenseless civilians should not be tolerated. Those who advocate tolerance for terrorists may as well be terrorists themselves. Do not assume otherwise.


Guess what country made extensive use (some actually claim they invented it) of terrorism?

Israel.


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22 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

abacacus wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.
Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist. My logic is that any society that advocates terrorist attacks against innocent, defenseless civilians should not be tolerated. Those who advocate tolerance for terrorists may as well be terrorists themselves. Do not assume otherwise.
Guess what country made extensive use (some actually claim they invented it) of terrorism? Israel.

Evidence, please?

I seem to recall that the ancient Sumerians terrorized the villages of their enemies to demoralize and defeat them in war before the Israelites arrived on the scene. But if you can prove me wrong, then I'll have to accept it.



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22 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

Like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq Pakistan, North Korea and the Sudan?

Israel doesn't even come close.



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22 Nov 2012, 7:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.
Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist. My logic is that any society that advocates terrorist attacks against innocent, defenseless civilians should not be tolerated. Those who advocate tolerance for terrorists may as well be terrorists themselves. Do not assume otherwise.
Guess what country made extensive use (some actually claim they invented it) of terrorism? Israel.

Evidence, please?

I seem to recall that the ancient Sumerians terrorized the villages of their enemies to demoralize and defeat them in war. But if you can prove me wrong, then I'll have to accept it.


Like I said, some claim they invented it. I personally don't know enough to make that claim myself.


As for the evidence of Israel's terrorism? Ever heard of the King David Hotel Bombing? Ninety-one dead, forty-seven injured. What about the assassination of Lord Moyne?

Here's a dated (and partial) list:

June 30, 1924. According to Israeli journalists Shlomo Nakdimon and Shaul Mayzlish, Dutch Jew Jacob Israël de Haan was assassinated by Avraham Tehomi on the orders of Haganah leader Yitzhak Ben-Zvi[29] for his anti-Zionist political activities and contacts with Arab leaders.

1937–1939 The Irgun conducted a campaign of violence against Palestinian Arab civilians resulting in the deaths of at least 250.

July 15, 1938, a bomb left in the vegetable market in Jerusalem by the Irgun injured 28

July 25 1938 the Irgun threw a bomb into the melon market in Haifa resulting in 49 deaths

November 6, 1944 Lehi assassinated British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo. The action is condemned by the Yishuv at the time, but the bodies of the assassins are brought home from Egypt in 1975 to a state funeral and burial on Mount Herzl.

1944–1945 The killings of several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government during the Hunting Season.

July 26, 1946 The bombing of British administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel, killing 91 people — 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 others. Around 45 people were injured.

1946 Railways and British military airfields were attacked several times.
October 31, 1946 The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.

April 1947 an Irgun bomb placed at the Colonial Office in London failed to detonate.

July 25, 1947 The Sergeants affair: When death sentences were passed on two Irgun members, the Irgun kidnapped Sgt. Clifford Martin and Sgt. Mervyn Paice and threatened to kill them in retaliation if the sentences were carried out. When the threat was ignored, the hostages were murdered. Afterwards, their bodies were taken to an orange grove and left hanging by the neck from trees. An Improvised Explosive Device was set. This went off when one of the bodies was cut down, seriously wounding a British officer.

December 1947 – March 1948 Numerous attacks on Palestinian Arabs in the context of Civil War after the vote of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine

January 5–6, 1948 The Semiramis Hotel bombing, carried out by the Haganah (or, according to some sources, Irgun) resulted in the deaths of 24 to 26 people

April 1948 the Deir Yassin massacre carried out by the Irgun and Lehi, killed between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers, the estimate generally accepted by scholars.

September 17, 1948, Lehi assassination of the United Nations mediator Count Bernadotte, negotiator of the release of about 31,000 prisoners including thousands of Jews from German concentration camps during World War II, whom Lehi accused of a pro-Arab stance during the cease-fire negotiations.


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22 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

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Saudi Arabia implements electronic tracking system for women

RIYADH — Denied the right to travel without consent from their male guardians and banned from driving, women in Saudi Arabia are now monitored by an electronic system that tracks any cross-border movements.

Since last week, Saudi women’s male guardians began receiving text messages on their phones informing them when women under their custody leave the country, even if they are travelling together.

Manal al-Sherif, who became the symbol of a campaign launched last year urging Saudi women to defy a driving ban, began spreading the information on Twitter, after she was alerted by a couple.

The husband, who was travelling with his wife, received a text message from the immigration authorities informing him that his wife had left the international airport in Riyadh.


There's something deeply comical about this (as with many other things that come out of this religious hellhole) but also something deeply, deeply sad and messed up about it as well.

Good luck to Manal al-Sherif and the courageous women of the Kingdom - they need all the blessings they can get.



A woman without an electronic tracking device is like a garden without a fence. :mrgreen:





(FYI: I am neither muslim nor a muslim apologist....This is simply a good idear.)



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22 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

Fnord wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.

Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist.

My logic is that any society that advocates terrorist attacks against innocent, defenseless civilians should not be tolerated. Those who advocate tolerance for terrorists may as well be terrorists themselves. Do not assume otherwise.


Define 'terrorist'. Who gets to set the rules for what constitutes 'terrorism', 'terrorist' and what doesn't?

Why do they get to set the rules?

Political violence is political violence. Israel is, and always has been, dishing out politically motivated violence in multiples of what it recieves.

We had a similar paradox here in the emerald isle. The british government kept telling the IRA to 'call off their war'. Then the Unionist community got into a hoo hah when IRA prisoners were given their POW status (in effect legitimising them as an army) even though the UK had been referring to the conflict as a 'war'. At what point does a terrorist become a soldier? At what point does a soldier become a terrorist?



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22 Nov 2012, 9:42 pm

It is remarkable that these Muslims don't put a leash on their women have them walk on all fours like dogs. Or should I say b*****s?

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22 Nov 2012, 10:02 pm

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22 Nov 2012, 10:03 pm

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What does that mean?

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22 Nov 2012, 10:23 pm

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What does that mean?

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Not a response to you Ruveyn!

Just seems like a lot of people are taking a lot of liberty with what they are inferring from people's comments in this thread...



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22 Nov 2012, 10:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.

Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist.

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Give us your definition of "terrorist".

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23 Nov 2012, 2:28 am

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Having said that, Saudi authorities are considering allowing women to drive for the first time. Here is a woman shown in her car driving...

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23 Nov 2012, 10:00 am

I thought it was funny too!



23 Nov 2012, 11:58 am

I wish it was legal in the US to put electronic tracking devices on women.

"A woman without an electronic tracker is like a garden without a fence."

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23 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm

No one could answer my last post.

Your silence says more than words could.