Uncontacted Peoples

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What if they know of some miracle medical herb that could save lives all across the world?

What if they're the last tribe that know how to make the miracle soil of the lost cities of the amazon?

What if oil, cattle, or lumber companies are about to clear-cut the forest they depend on or the river they depend on is about to be dammed? How will they plead their case to us? How will they let the world know they are being wronged if they don't know how to make contact with us?

Seeing the title in a quick glance, I thought this was a thread about people who wore glasses exclusively.

That would be me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The folks from the outside will steal their land, kill them off and take the herb for their own. It has happened several times already and I have no doubt it would happen again.

ruveyn

And I!

I think it depends on who does the contact. So I once saw a documentation, its was about unexplored jungle focused on vegetation and animals. The scientists for this project, had because of them exploring the jungle, contact to some tribes that had no contact to other "civilisation groups". So normally when ancient tribes get contact with civilisation after some years its always the same: Having weapons, cheap colourful T-Shirts, alcohol... because sooner or later, someone wants to make profit with these people, and best profit can be done by selling them nonsense stuff that has no worth.

In the documentation only the scientists, who were anyway more concentrated about their jungle, had rare contact with these tribes. So noone of them was focused on making profit with these tribes or tried to sale them colourful nonsense or take their ressources on purpose and so on. After three years, the only "alien" thing that was regularly used by the tribes people, and that they appreciated on their own were simple toothbrushes. Why they appreciated these, I think everyone can imagine.

So from my oppinion, these last tribes should be protected, so that they are given the chance to keep their culture as they want, and that companies and salepersons dont overwhelm them with capitalism. Its not that capitalism is generally something evil, but its something that has to be taken responsible, and that has to be learned. Throwing capitalism on someone who never had to do with it, is deadly nonsense. But I also wouldnt overdo it as avoiding any contact, because our civilisation does not only offer idiotic nonsense stuff that can ruin civilisations, but also stuff that can be a great help and advantage for people, and doesnt cost much (so it doesnt really destroy these people ancient habbits by forcing them to change everything, to earn money), as simple toothbrushes do.

i will preface my post with a sentiment unrelated to the topic title, and i will then address the topic.

i think it is not good that humans think they own the planet earth and think they are the sole authority of, and custodian over it.

people take it for granted that they are superior to non humans, and most people will revolt in a hostile way to the suggestion that they are no more important than flies. i can see how people with religious beliefs may be toiling due to their misapprehension that somehow god made them apart from all other life (because that was how they were indoctrinated), but atheism is all the craze these days, and i find it curious that they too consider humans to be fundamentally superior to non humans based upon merely intellectual capacity.

they seem to share some beliefs with their religious counterparts in the area of the notion of "human supremacy". most animals (i believe) can love, and that is a far greater attribute than curiosity or intellectual industry. that a small innocent bird can trust i will not hurt it and let me touch it makes me very humble, because i would not trust a gigantic alien being (compared to me) to be free of malice. logic and reason have no certain hierarchical value that is greater than simple observations and decisions that lead to trust. trust is the most important thing in the world of existence in my opinion. animals have the capacity for trust more than humans do.

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people who have never been discovered by the civilized world should be allowed to be how they always were. i am surprised at the amount of respondents to this thread who think in a way that i will exemplify with the following caricaturization :

"previously undiscovered peoples could be acting in ways that i find abhorrent. because there is no legal system there, then they could be up to all types of no good. they may have sex at an age that is unacceptable to my society. they may be imbibing agents of intoxication that are illegal in my society. they may have punishments that are too lenient according to my society."

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why should the whole world be sculpted according to the desires of those who think that their idea of the way the world should be is deigned by god to be paramount? (atheists included ironically).

if the adult population of such a tribe were generally happy, then it would show that the "sexual abuse" that westerners may impute, was actually a non event, since the adults would have been "abused" as children themselves. it is the western societal attitude about the age of consent that corrals people into their automatic attitudes. 12 year old people have the capacity to reproduce, and in western society i can see how confusing and dangerous it may be to make sexual decisions at that age, but in tribes on an isolated island, it is conceivable that there is no hysterical guilt tripping around the sexual activities that they practice. and if i learned that copulation commenced at age 12 on some remote island, and if i knew that every one there was generally well adjusted, then i would remove my antennae from them.

but most posters in this thread would forcefully intervene because they think their way is the only way.

if most of the adults took opium or some equivalent drug, i would see it as a tradition that supports their survivability for some reason. i would not wish to intervene and infarct their supply simply because i have been told that it leads to health problems.

people wish to control the whole world, and they claim it is because they are "conscientious" , but i think that if humans did not exist, life would still be flourishing everywhere today.

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i have heard tonight on a television show about someone who rescues baby kangaroos from their dead mothers pouches (after they were hit my a car (human fault)).
i also heard that the babies must also be euthanized because it is illegal to have a kangaroo as a pet.
so if i found a darling little joey in the pouch of it's dead mother, then i would be required
to have it put to sleep or i would either be fined or jailed if i nurtured it


.i can not understand why humans think they own the world.


people are synonymous with sewers sometimes. all they eat goes into the sewers and all they think eventually ends up there too.

The planet belongs to one celled organisms that in the aggregate outweigh us 10,000 to 1.

One of the harmful misconceptions many humans have is the illusion of control.

ruveyn

i know it is an illusion of control.

We're required to convert them to Christianity or else they will burn in hell. (sarcasm intended)

I would argue that making contact had having them be as common knowledge as possible would help prevent that from happening as they couldn't do that without people knowing. Of course not knowing that the herb exists would be better protection, it doesn't protect the tribe from oil exploration or damming.

The problem with thinking that way is that while cavorting about in loinclothes and hunting for food may be fine, or taking psychedelics, or whatnot, some practices are universally abhorrent regardless of how "happy" the population is. Human sacrifice, for example. Or the practice of widow-burning. The Indians would take a widow, after her husband died, and throw her onto the pyre. She may have had the chance to live a full and happy life after her husband, but it is brutally cut short for what? Some quaint little custom? The British had a wonderfully classy response to this custom.



Sure, they may be perfectly "happy." How can they be unhappy if they know no other way? How could we say those Indian women were happy about being burned alive, for no other crime than to have been unlucky enough to marry a man who died first? How can we say that the person being sacrificed on the altar is "happy?" He might be ecstatic, religion often has that effect. Yet he is the victim of the most damaging swindle of all time, that costs him his life for nothing. Might he have been happier growing to old age in a world that stamped out barbaric customs such as human sacrifice? And yes, barbaric is the right word, not because it refers to an uncivilized tribe, but because it is fitting with the worst traits of the classical barbarian, for it is brutish, unnecessary, cruel, and inhuman.

I am of the opinion that a diplomatic solution would be best for both parties, as it would provide us with understanding, and they a voice. While many customs can be tolerated as honorable aspects of their society, certain customs are abhorrent, because for a man to witness them and do nothing to prevent tragedy, he loses all claim to righteousness.

i dont know if this is a factual or philosophical post.

with satilite technology and the things that can be observed by both scientific and military survalence.the chances of there being uncontacted people in the world are a million to one.

even the smallest colony needs dwellings and fire,all things easily detectable to survailence.they use helocopters to locate rhino poachers in africa.in alaska they use airplanes to make sure survivalist mountain men are not using national forest land to make there dwellings

It's hypothetical, but there have been stories of uncontacted people dwelling in the Amazon that have come to light within the last few years.

Detected by satellite does not necessarily mean contacted.

ruveyn

According to Julius Caesar, the Celts of Gaul had the practice of torturing the widow of a deceased king or noble to find if she had been guilty of killing him. Following that, she'd be burned alive on her dead husband's funeral pyre.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer