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10 Dec 2012, 3:34 am

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Not sure where to post this... not sure if it deserves a thread of its own. I just found out my 8 and 6 year old boys are being terrorized by the older muslim boys next door, constantly threatening to "cut his infidel head off".

Islamophobia? Yeah - I'm starting to fear Islam because they all too often threaten to kill innocent people. Early teenagers mentally torturing kids? Physically assaulting my boys' pet cat? These kids are well on their way to pure evil... and it's being taught to them from SOMEONE. :x "Religion of peace"... my ass!

I fear for my kids' safety!


I am sorry to hear from your experience. My experience of muslim people has been largely positive. Unfortunately extremists can manifest anywhere, and in any walk of life, under any faith or political ideology.
It could be a possibility that Bluemax's neighbors could be fundamentalist Islamists.


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10 Dec 2012, 4:19 am

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It could be a possibility that Bluemax's neighbors could be fundamentalist Islamists.


Considering they've repeatedly threatened to CUT HIS HEAD OFF??? Yeah - just maybe. :x



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10 Dec 2012, 7:40 am

BlueMax wrote:
Not sure where to post this... not sure if it deserves a thread of its own. I just found out my 8 and 6 year old boys are being terrorized by the older muslim boys next door, constantly threatening to "cut his infidel head off".

Islamophobia? Yeah - I'm starting to fear Islam because they all too often threaten to kill innocent people. Early teenagers mentally torturing kids? Physically assaulting my boys' pet cat? These kids are well on their way to pure evil... and it's being taught to them from SOMEONE. :x "Religion of peace"... my ass!

I fear for my kids' safety!


That's a problem with those boys. Possibly their parents, but also them. And yeah, early teens is when kids are most likely to act like that, in my experience.

If it was Christian teens acting this way, would you use the same reasoning?

This is the problem: people see one thing done by Muslims, or black people, or any minority for that matter. The association sticks in your head because you don't take note of people being completely normal according to your standards. Then when someone else in the same minority does something else remotely similar, you start building up your own little stereotypes.



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10 Dec 2012, 12:00 pm

Haha. Pat Condell rules!



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10 Dec 2012, 12:02 pm

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Haha. Pat Condell rules!


Nah. Hes just a big frog in a small pond.

British people these days dont care. They don't have an opinion. They rather sit at home and watch 'X Factor' or 'I'm a celebrity...'

Very few British isles'ers are willing to stand on a political soapbox these days bar the odd eccentric. Fair play to Condell for speaking up, just a shame he reaches a flawed analysis.

I wonder if he really thinks his own thoughts though or is he just appealing to the common denominator to attract a chorus of semi intelligible caveman like 'Ugs' from the white van man brigade. Argumentum Ad populam.


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10 Dec 2012, 12:11 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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Haha. Pat Condell rules!


Nah. Hes just a big frog in a small pond.

British people these days dont care. They don't have an opinion. They rather sit at home and watch 'X Factor' or 'I'm a celebrity...'

Very few British isles'ers are willing to stand on a political soapbox these days bar the odd eccentric. Fair play to Condell for speaking up, just a shame he reaches a flawed analysis.



When it comes to Muslims, Pat is dead on right.

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10 Dec 2012, 1:21 pm

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When it comes to Muslims, Pat is dead on right.

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10 Dec 2012, 2:15 pm

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More slurs, ad hominems and insults and no actual analysis of what he says. You have nothing at all to say. You'd be better off saying that you simply don't like him or his opinions and leave it at that. I do wonder if you'd be quite so dismissive and insulting about him if he had just attacked 'safe' subjects like Christianity...


I refer you to my earlier post. I have analysed what he says, and I have found it to be largely without merit.

If his intention is to promote a tolerant society, then he would be better occupied directing his criticism towards intolerance itself, rather than towards groups that he uncritically believes to be intolerant. Even if he is right about 99% of muslims, he is still wrong about 1%--and that 1% deserves to be acknowledged.


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10 Dec 2012, 2:31 pm

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Even if he is right about 99% of muslims, he is still wrong about 1%--and that 1% deserves to be acknowledged.


If you were to give advice to a patient, would you recommend him or her to:

- Smoke tobacco or not?
- Being physically active or not?
- Consume trans fat foods or not?



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10 Dec 2012, 5:20 pm

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visagrunt wrote:
Even if he is right about 99% of muslims, he is still wrong about 1%--and that 1% deserves to be acknowledged.


If you were to give advice to a patient, would you recommend him or her to:

- Smoke tobacco or not?
- Being physically active or not?
- Consume trans fat foods or not?


I rarely give my advice to patients in terms of absolutes.

I don't say, "Don't smoke!" (except for patients with respiratory disorders); rather, I say, "Smoking is probably going to create health problems for you down the line. I'd prefer it if you didn't smoke, and there are some options we can look at to help you quit, if that's what you want."

Similarly on issues of diet and exercise. Me ordering a patient to get exercising and to drop bad food choices isn't going to get that patient to obey. My approach is to acknowledge there are choices and that there are consequences for choices. There are supports out there to help make better choices; but at the end of the day, good health should be as much about quality of life, as quantity of life.

And most important of all--I acknowledge a patient's good choices, and a patient's partial successes.


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10 Dec 2012, 5:34 pm

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It could be a possibility that Bluemax's neighbors could be fundamentalist Islamists.


Considering they've repeatedly threatened to CUT HIS HEAD OFF??? Yeah - just maybe. :x
I would notify the local police to be safe if I were you, and their excuse cant be just be oh but were muslims etc thats no excuse for them to act like that what so ever![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cHrPL6aqfM[/youtube]It reminds me of this!


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10 Dec 2012, 5:35 pm

I think visagrunt and i are on a similar wavelength, ie. the voice of moderation.

Every religion has its 's**ts'.

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10 Dec 2012, 7:06 pm

Just a reminder true muslims are peaceful!This guy is a true muslim [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzq4PaL-R5w[/youtube]


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10 Dec 2012, 7:33 pm

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Just a reminder true muslims are peaceful!This guy is a true muslim [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzq4PaL-R5w[/youtube]


These Pakistani Muslims I see do have the most comfortable-looking white trousers. If I ever get friendly with one, I must ask him where he buys them. They'd look great on me and look comfortable.

Multiculturalism in action, folks.

Now, I just need to have a look at the Polish shop and buy some lovely sausage for my big-fat-bastard breakfast (their sausages are heavenly, by the way, and as much as I dislike their Catholicism, they have a thing to teach us about sausages!), have perhaps a spot of apfelwein, and a spot of gospel singing (even though I hate it) and perhaps a decent plate of curry goat and I'll be fully multiculturalised.



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10 Dec 2012, 7:49 pm

The muslims in the area i live in are rather peaceful people and I happen to live in a very multicultural region in the United States I am sure some places in Canada its the same as well.


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10 Dec 2012, 8:24 pm

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The muslims in the area i live in are rather peaceful people and I happen to live in a very multicultural region in the United States I am sure some places in Canada its the same as well.


I think it would be absolutely, criminally unfair to bring all Muslims into this. It's not true, and it's not what they deserve either. I've known Muslims myself, and they're absolutely fine enough folks (I've met the odd looper along the way, but not because of Islam). I reckon that the more secularised and, well, English, they become, a lot less of a 'problem' they'll become. What's better to them? Mainstream, un-Islamic Britain or strict Islamic doctrine? If it were me, I'd be at the bacon sandwiches, the cheese and the sausages before you could say "Allahu Ahkbar". Oh, and where's me Coke?

I can think of a few Muslims who I'd go out for a pint with any night of the week if they'd ask me. I bet you they'd outstrip me as well, the bastards.