Correlation between AS and religion/atheism or no?
It really doesn't matter what my experience with Atheism is. I'm asking for your response.
I'm a person searching for satisfying answers and meaning, if me drilling you for those is endangering you, I'm not sorry. I don't take other's member's beliefs personally.
I just want to see why/how you believe what you do, that is all. Is that not an unreasonable request?
And with that, I'm going to Leave Wrong Planet.
Best Regards,
Jake
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It really doesn't matter what my experience with Atheism is. I'm asking for your response.
I'm a person searching for satisfying answers and meaning, if me drilling you for those is endangering you, I'm not sorry. I don't take other's member's beliefs personally.
I just want to see why/how you believe what you do, that is all. Is that not an unreasonable request?
And with that, I'm going to Leave Wrong Planet.
Best Regards,
Jake
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Correlation =/= mutual inclusivity
The untruth of a posited fact is not a "fallacy".
Of course, we're not dealing with an untruth- ASD peeps ARE more rational, and this tendency is recognized in clinical studies as well as support networks
Yes, it makes evolutionary sense in a pre-modern world to ascribe intent and purpose to even natural events, lest one not recognize a potentially-dangerous situation and die as a result, in the same way that human bodies are "designed" via evolution to store calories as fat in case of famine. We are likewise no more religious "by default" than we are fat by "default". These are products of survival-based mechanisms combined with modern culture.
I should think "regulation" would be done by neurological processes LESS concerned with the subjective.
False dichotomy- it's only decisions which have no objective guideline which even REQUIRE analysis.
...what?
Um...data interpretation- margin of error, statistical significance, etc, are all pretty straight forward.
The question is of a correlation- it matters not whether the MAJORITY of Autistics are analytical, merely that a statistically-greater higher portion of them are than their NT COUNTERPARTS.
It is! I've tried and tried my best to understand, but I simply cannot. There are a great number of fantastical things I'd LOVE to believe were true, but I can't for the life of me grasp how that translates into actually believing in them...
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Worth noting that the thrust of that article is that autistic people are less likely to identify in a personal God who has a human-like mind. They aren't more likely to not believe in any God at all.
It's also worth noting that one of the research papers that this article was based on got its data by analyzing posts in WP's PPR forum.
Don't go there.
Best Regards,
Jake
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As a matter of fact I am. I have better things to do than compete in online discussions.
I appreciate the company while It lasted.
Best Regards,
Jake
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I read somewhere that us aspies were more likely to be athiest, since we think more logically than NT's are supposed to. But I'm not sure how true that is. Personally, I don't see any correlation. I know aspies who are athiest, and I know aspies who are religious. Whatever
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I tend to think that ,in general at least, we aspies are critical, and analytical. So therefore we are less inclined to accept a given religion at face value, out of blind faith. As for me personally, as I've posted different times in threads in this part of the forum, my views have evolved over the years, as I've grown, and gotten different perspective. From the time I was a teenager, through my adult years, my views have ranged from Abrahamic monotheism to implicit atheism. But currently I take the position of agnostic theistic rationalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_rationalism. I find it to be an acceptable middle ground between my past atheism, and monotheism, as it counter balances the faith in a singular divine being, with free thought. It appeals, and makes the best sense, to me anyway.
I am a very strongly convicted Christian Fundamentalist. I also have every reason to believe I am an aspie despite not being formally diagnosed.
I can see why aspies would have a hard time believing in God. I still struggle with resolving certain scriptures due to my extreme analysis of every word I read. But I have a harder time understanding how anyone can believe in Evolution- as it seems to take way more faith (so many missing pieces). Or even agnosticism or universalism for that matter (if there is God is he that weak or unconcerned in His creation that He couldn't/wouldn't tell us EXACTLY who He is?)
But in conclusion I think aspies would either be complete evolutionists or very devout to the letter of their faith- can;t see where a middle ground could be seen.
Evolution is not something to be believed, it is a fact. What are these missing pieces you speak of? Creationism has long since been debunked as myth.
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Evolution is not something to be believed, it is a fact. What are these missing pieces you speak of? Creationism has long since been debunked as myth.
It's funny to hear you say that, you denounce Absolute Certainties but you claim an absolute Certainty.
Evolution is shuffling a deck of cards to a rookie poker player, it is solely based upon chance and natural selection.
Creation is teleological, it has a beginning, middle and end.
Best Regards,
Jake
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Evolution is not something to be believed, it is a fact. What are these missing pieces you speak of? Creationism has long since been debunked as myth.
Oh is that right? Creationism debunked huh? hat's pretty funny. Can't be done as it is the truth. However "enlighten" me who and when (this should be a laugh riot)?
Just to name a few about Evolutionism;
Where did the initial elements come from that caused the original "ooze" from which every living thing supposedly came? Deep space? Doesn't answer the question.
If random genetic mutations caused different species to be created and subsequently proliferate, why do moneys not occasionally spit out a human or reptile occasionally spit out a bird from its egg?
What caused cells to decide to get together to form larger organisms? By what process did they supposedly learn to be different organs functioning together to form complex life?
Why would perfectly functioning life forms even do such a thing? Survival? Bacteria and other one celled organisms seem to be getting along just fine without having to form alliances with one another.
How about genders? If cells got along fine by splitting themselves why be male and female? I guess it's a good thing that the male random genetic mutation and the female genetic mutation happened at the same time on the same part of the Earth or we may not have male and female creatures.
What about plant life? Can't see how any of the Theory of Evolution even pertains to them. No such thing as survival of the fittest when there's no competition.
Furthermore, even if you do believe that nonsense, you fail to realize that you are still putting your faith in something. Fact is subjective really. You are believing the research of scientists and what they've published in their books. Except they change constantly/.
Evolution is not something to be believed, it is a fact. What are these missing pieces you speak of? Creationism has long since been debunked as myth.
It's funny to hear you say that, you denounce Absolute Certainties but you claim an absolute Certainty.
Evolution is shuffling a deck of cards to a rookie poker player, it is solely based upon chance and natural selection.
Creation is teleological, it has a beginning, middle and end.
Best Regards,
Jake
And yet, evolution is a fact. It is extremely well documented and it is happening and has been happening for many millions of years. It you chose to believe otherwise it is wilful self-delusion or ignorance. It still amazes me that there are parts of America stuck in the dark ages and hanging on to their primitive creationism beliefs despite evolution being an established fact. Even the Catholic church acknowledges evolution as a fact and that biblical creation is merely fable and myth. If you are so ignorant of science, nature and reality I see no point in discussing your illusions / self-delusion further.
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Evolution is not something to be believed, it is a fact. What are these missing pieces you speak of? Creationism has long since been debunked as myth.
Oh is that right? Creationism debunked huh? hat's pretty funny. Can't be done as it is the truth. However "enlighten" me who and when (this should be a laugh riot)?
Just to name a few about Evolutionism;
Where did the initial elements come from that caused the original "ooze" from which every living thing supposedly came? Deep space? Doesn't answer the question.
If random genetic mutations caused different species to be created and subsequently proliferate, why do moneys not occasionally spit out a human or reptile occasionally spit out a bird from its egg?
What caused cells to decide to get together to form larger organisms? By what process did they supposedly learn to be different organs functioning together to form complex life?
Why would perfectly functioning life forms even do such a thing? Survival? Bacteria and other one celled organisms seem to be getting along just fine without having to form alliances with one another.
How about genders? If cells got along fine by splitting themselves why be male and female? I guess it's a good thing that the male random genetic mutation and the female genetic mutation happened at the same time on the same part of the Earth or we may not have male and female creatures.
What about plant life? Can't see how any of the Theory of Evolution even pertains to them. No such thing as survival of the fittest when there's no competition.
Furthermore, even if you do believe that nonsense, you fail to realize that you are still putting your faith in something. Fact is subjective really. You are believing the research of scientists and what they've published in their books. Except they change constantly/.
Total and utter BS. I suggest you learn a little about science, nature and evolution, preferably not from a child's comic or creationist propaganda site. I've seen the arguments you list above before and frankly they are rubbish and just show how ignorant you are of the subject. That is all I'm saying for tonight, I'm off to bed now. G'night.
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You talk about having scientific background and seeing all sides of the issue and making a deductive reasoning claim. But when I offer a different view (As opposed to agreeing with yours) You result calling me delusional and ignorant. Do you want to hear opposing views or not?
Best Regards,
Jake
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