Wayne Lapierre wants blacklist of mentally ill

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There are a lot of shuttered places that could be used for homeless and low income mentally ill could go to get help. Not all of them would have to be lockdown or even for living in (though anyone entering would have to be sober and subject to search for contraband).

Prison or homelessness aren't my ideal of freedom.

That is true as well, so it is appropriate in some cases...but pushing it as a first resort solution would be taking it a bit too far in my opinion.

I would be suprised if even 40% of the homeless or low income mentally ill people around where I live are living a sober lifestyle, so that would not work as a requirement for my area. Not to mention its not as common as people getting medical marijuana for physical ailements but people can get it for various mental disorders so in some cases such a search could prevent some from taking their meds technically...just some local factors in my area that would have to be considered.

Statistically a large amount of mentally ill people self medicate and/or abuse substances so logically that would not work as grounds to deny them any kind of help and its kind of holding the mentally ill to higher standards than the general population in my opinion. Also some do have bad addictions and may not even be able to stop on their own so that would kind of be like 'do the impossible or no help.' to them. Then of course there is the whole issue of medical marijuana and legalization of it in a few states Nothing is simple I suppose. Now if one is in such a bad state they require hospitalization of course they should be searched to make sure they don't have any drugs or items that could be used as weapons...though maybe they should lay off prescribing so many psych meds as well. But yeah after being seemingly screwed by the system time and time again(which is how many feel regardless of if its actually the case or a delusion) if you felt that way would you want to go anywhere near anything that came off as part of that same system and included a search right off?

A no drug use on the premise policy would probably work a lot better in some areas, but pushing the issue too far is likely to push many who do need help away so the same problem of lack of proper help wouldn't get solved.

Locking up inside an institution is not the answer is my point. Give these people their freedom and you will see how quickly their lives improve.

Except when it doesn't improve. The last thing you want out in the open is a person with scitzophrenia with paranoid symptoms out loose. Sometime a nut case can be dangerous.

ruveyn

Call me an optimist, but I believe with outreach you can help them without forcing them into an institutional setting against their will which I think does not help them. Taking away their sense of control of their lives does not help them get better and it's well documented how destructive life inside an institution is.

why does america refuse to look in the mirror? what kind of society do we have that 1]continues to pump out dysfunctional people, and 2] does nothing about it? the flipside of einstein's definition of insanity is refusing to do what is necessary to curb a destructive problem, but expecting that things will still improve on their own and being bitterly disappointed when things still deteriorate.

Utter BS, if someone is a danger to others of course they should be away from others in a safe setting......but everyone with schizophrenia is not a danger so it would be a violation of basic rights to lock someone away simply because of their diagnoses. The attitude people with schizoprhenia or other serious mental illnesses are just no good nutcases that should have all their rights stripped is a step backwards.

And to think I thought you more or less opposed opression, I mean you don't even like the government having enough control to tax you ...yet you advocate stripping all rights from schizophrenic 'nutcases' because 'some' of them are dangerous. You know what else is dangerous? that sort of thinking.

what if mr. lapierre was put on his own suggested list?

exactly Adams Dad contributed by neglect

I do. I do. But now and again their are dangerous killer maniacs.

Some of my enemies are paranoids.

ruveyn

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Both sides will be wanting to "treat" the mental illness "problem", and I'm sure something will pass in regards to those with a mental illness. I'm guessing it'll be something utterly prejudiced and will just throw more stigma at those with a mental disorder. Something like exempt from purchasing a firearm and more power for doctor's and whatnot to force treatment options (a lot of buzz going that people can't get their kids treatment or put in a hospital unless they're an immediate threat -- you can see where this will go. Probably any aggressive or odd behavior will be grounds for this).

Just FYI and all, Asperger's is an equal target for "mental illness" (any mental disorder in the DSM will be such). Adam Lanza with an Asperger's label is the "mental illness" poster-child boogieman right now.

I much prefer the avatar with the cartoon creature with one eye above the other

What you say is true but it will be ineffectual in reducing spree killings as nearly all culprits are first timers
thus escaping profiling techniques.

All these morons thinking they can profile the next spree shooter are deluded

Do the scare quotes indicate that you deny there are some people with mental problems that make them dangerous to their neighbors?

Unfortunately, the detection and understanding of variant and aberrant brain states is in a branch of medicine that has only recently (in the last 100 years) emerged from the Dark Ages. We do not adequately comprehend which brain conditions are a danger to society and which are not. In the past, we have tended to treat any brain-ial or behavioral variations as pathologies. So we have a very bad batting average (so to speak) in that area of concern.

However there are lunatics at large who are dangerous to their neighbors. We just don't know who they are.

ruveyn