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25 Dec 2012, 4:35 am

The proposed knife ban by Obama's team several months ago was pretty funny (just a somewhat relevant and funny point). I have no idea why there's such a hate by governments for switchblades (which are mostly illegal everywhere).



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25 Dec 2012, 6:19 am

Another interesting thing I read in the past:

Daggers were often the dedicated weapon used for murders before the widespread adoption of pistols. The person who did the study noted how arrows were the most common cause of death in war, but they were rarely used in murders -- the improvisation of murders was his or her conclusion (being as bows were often owned by most people, but most didn't carry them around the city).



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25 Dec 2012, 11:45 am

Dillogic wrote:
The proposed knife ban by Obama's team several months ago was pretty funny (just a somewhat relevant and funny point). I have no idea why there's such a hate by governments for switchblades (which are mostly illegal everywhere).


Because they are mostly carried by N-Words.

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26 Dec 2012, 12:46 am

Knives are meant to stab people!


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26 Dec 2012, 6:53 am

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Knives are meant to stab people!


And cut steaks.

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26 Dec 2012, 8:12 am

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Yes, culture is definitely important. I've said before that I think what is needed is a culture shift so that banning guns is a realistic option.


If you changed a culture enough that violence wasn't so much of a problem, why would you still need gun control? Unless you just don't like guns, which is a whole other kettle of fish.

It would reduce the risk of the culture shifting back again.

Also, the culture shift wouldn't necessarily be "stopping violence", but "not valuing guns/knives". For example, there is still a lot of violence in the UK, but fewer murders per capita than in the USA. I would put this down to the decreased availability of the most deadly weapons.



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26 Dec 2012, 9:54 am

Stiletto's are "Banned." some states banned gravity knives and ballistic knives. This is due to the Italian mob, and young street gangs of the 1950's Preferred use of switchblades. Which brought about the Switchblade Act of 1958. Since they(Congress) felt the states could do comprehensive legislation of their own had the need to ban interstate travel for switchblades to other states.

As Far as I'm aware with the whole it's all because of Negro's. not certain at all. I can only assume your talking about either Flippers, or Folders.

Knives and Guns are fun and all...but as long as you've got a brain and your determined to kill.. you'll figure out how to kill someone with/without them.



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26 Dec 2012, 10:10 am

The_Walrus wrote:
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Yes, culture is definitely important. I've said before that I think what is needed is a culture shift so that banning guns is a realistic option.


If you changed a culture enough that violence wasn't so much of a problem, why would you still need gun control? Unless you just don't like guns, which is a whole other kettle of fish.

It would reduce the risk of the culture shifting back again.

Also, the culture shift wouldn't necessarily be "stopping violence", but "not valuing guns/knives". For example, there is still a lot of violence in the UK, but fewer murders per capita than in the USA. I would put this down to the decreased availability of the most deadly weapons.


i heard you banned a select breed of dogs because of use with crime is that true?



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26 Dec 2012, 3:39 pm

Not "use with crime", exactly, but yes, we banned four breeds of dog (most notably pitbulls) because they are extraordinarily fierce. I can't find any statistics other than that 6 people were killed by dog bites in 2011- no info on breeds.

Personally I think our dangerous dog laws are a disgrace. Dogs are "guilty until proven innocent", and they don't even have to belong to one of the banned breeds, just share certain physical characteristics.



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26 Dec 2012, 4:05 pm

Banning booze didn't work, banning abortion didn't work, and banning drugs hasn't worked. For some reason, I don't think banning guns will work.



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26 Dec 2012, 4:06 pm

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Not "use with crime", exactly, but yes, we banned four breeds of dog (most notably pitbulls) because they are extraordinarily fierce. I can't find any statistics other than that 6 people were killed by dog bites in 2011- no info on breeds.

Personally I think our dangerous dog laws are a disgrace. Dogs are "guilty until proven innocent", and they don't even have to belong to one of the banned breeds, just share certain physical characteristics.


The dog example may partly be due to a confusion of cause and effect. Several studies have shown that owners of so-called "vicious" dogs (including pit bulls) display elevated levels of antisocial traits compared to other dog owners.

See this recent study, mentioned on the wiki pit bull page (with quite a few statistics on dog bites in the US, btw):
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 1961.x/pdf

Apparently, 33 percent of fatalities from dog bites come from pit bulls and their mixes.

It is not surprising that pit bulls are meaner than other dogs when their owners are meaner than other owners.



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26 Dec 2012, 4:15 pm

Shooting things.


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26 Dec 2012, 5:12 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Not "use with crime", exactly, but yes, we banned four breeds of dog (most notably pitbulls) because they are extraordinarily fierce. I can't find any statistics other than that 6 people were killed by dog bites in 2011- no info on breeds.

Personally I think our dangerous dog laws are a disgrace. Dogs are "guilty until proven innocent", and they don't even have to belong to one of the banned breeds, just share certain physical characteristics.


Do you see how this analogues guns? A pit can be a loving and loyal pet in the hands of responsible owner or a viscous beast with the potential to inflict great bodily injury in the hands of a bad one. The key variable here is the owner.



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26 Dec 2012, 5:28 pm

To acquire food in the form of wild game. In terms of price, a lower-cost rifle (anywhere from $300 to $800) and self-made rounds is cheaper than purchasing meat from the local store, especially with meat prices as high as they are (at least in my area).

You may say "Hey, why not go veggie?" to which I can honestly reply "I tried: it didn't work very well (never had energy regardless of diet modifications)." I simply need meat protein and I need to have a cost-effective way to get it... I'm not about to grab a combat knife and chase down a wild boar, deer, goose, duck or anything else.



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26 Dec 2012, 5:38 pm

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We don't see people wanting to ban deadly forms of knives, like katanas.

Don't we? :?


Because katanas are an antiquity. In a hundred years, we'll have railguns or laser rifles or what have you, and people will look at an AK-47 and be like "Ah, the weapons of war of our forefathers" and you could be a liberal hippy and have one hanging up in your living room and be all artsy about it. A musket will still kill the hell out of you, but people look at it in rose tinted glasses and go "aww, look at that antique..." It just doesn't translate into "weapon" to people.


What? Authentic Soviet-Era AK-47s (the only true AK-47) don't make for nice wall décor? I surmise I better give Michael Smith a call...
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26 Dec 2012, 5:40 pm

GGPViper wrote:
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Not "use with crime", exactly, but yes, we banned four breeds of dog (most notably pitbulls) because they are extraordinarily fierce. I can't find any statistics other than that 6 people were killed by dog bites in 2011- no info on breeds.

Personally I think our dangerous dog laws are a disgrace. Dogs are "guilty until proven innocent", and they don't even have to belong to one of the banned breeds, just share certain physical characteristics.


The dog example may partly be due to a confusion of cause and effect. Several studies have shown that owners of so-called "vicious" dogs (including pit bulls) display elevated levels of antisocial traits compared to other dog owners.

See this recent study, mentioned on the wiki pit bull page (with quite a few statistics on dog bites in the US, btw):
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 1961.x/pdf

Apparently, 33 percent of fatalities from dog bites come from pit bulls and their mixes.

It is not surprising that pit bulls are meaner than other dogs when their owners are meaner than other owners.

I think it is probably a complicated relationship. Pit bulls are more aggressive than other dogs, which makes their owners more likely to be anti-social, which makes pit bulls more likely to be aggressive...
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Not "use with crime", exactly, but yes, we banned four breeds of dog (most notably pitbulls) because they are extraordinarily fierce. I can't find any statistics other than that 6 people were killed by dog bites in 2011- no info on breeds.

Personally I think our dangerous dog laws are a disgrace. Dogs are "guilty until proven innocent", and they don't even have to belong to one of the banned breeds, just share certain physical characteristics.


Do you see how this analogues guns? A pit can be a loving and loyal pet in the hands of responsible owner or a viscous beast with the potential to inflict great bodily injury in the hands of a bad one. The key variable here is the owner.

The difference is that dogs are reasonably sentient living beings, so should be allowed to live if at all possible (though I am in favour of not allowing pitbulls to reproduce). If a gun is destroyed, so what?