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29 Dec 2012, 2:24 am

Surfman wrote:

police use psychics quite regularly in certain cases
to contact the dead

Sadly, this is true. Which is kind of idiotic. But police are not always meant to be intellectuals.

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29 Dec 2012, 2:26 am

Detectives are normally very clever people

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29 Dec 2012, 2:33 am

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police use psychics quite regularly in certain cases to contact the dead

So claim the psychics ... but not the police.

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I had a primary spiritual experience recently

Was alcohol involved?

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29 Dec 2012, 2:41 am

Surfman wrote:

Detectives are normally very clever people

Intelligence isn't just one single unit.

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29 Dec 2012, 4:29 am

Fnord wrote:

Was alcohol involved?

something much better

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29 Dec 2012, 4:36 am

Fnord wrote:

So claim the psychics ... but not the police.

http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/ps ... tives.html

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29 Dec 2012, 5:44 am

If a "psychic" comes forward the police pretty much have to investigate their claims, just like they have to investigate whenever anybody else claims to have knowledge of a crime. They are a potential witness or suspect. It would be irresponsible to dismiss information because someone claimed to have acquired it psychically - after all, in the unlikely event that the body turns out to be where the psychic says it is, there's a good chance that they're the one who put it there.

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29 Dec 2012, 5:53 am

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after all, in the unlikely event that the body turns out to be where the psychic says it is, there's a good chance that they're the one who put it there.

some cases get 7000 calls from psychics with information
an acccurate cold caller could be the offender

most police used psychics are the real deal

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29 Dec 2012, 6:01 am

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most police used psychics are the real deal

It is curious that none of these "real deal" psychics have stepped up to take the $ million offered by James Randi for demonstrating their supernatural abilities. I wonder why that is? :wink:

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29 Dec 2012, 6:04 am

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some cases get 7000 calls from psychics with information

Yep, either information that's either horrendously vague, laughably wrong or some combination of both. Which serves to waste police time, as they still have to follow it up on the off chance that the 'psychic' is actually someone involved in the crime in some way, either as a witness or a suspect.

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29 Dec 2012, 6:12 am

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some cases get 7000 calls from psychics with information

... You will find the body near water.

The TV series "Mentalist" is quite entertaining in this regard, especially the way his character evolved from psychic / entertainer to police psychic to admitting he was a fraud but is just damn good at manipulating people and reading them and their body language and continues to be used by the police for these skills. Despite his admission that his former activities as a psychic were all fraudulent many still believe he was "the real deal". Can't help wondering how closely this fictional TV series mirrors reality.

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29 Dec 2012, 11:22 am

Surfman wrote:

Fnord wrote:

So claim the psychics ... but not the police.

http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/psychicdetectives.html

The link you provided was set up by an ex-lawyer, not a cop, and is a second-hand account of a fake psychic named Noreen Ranier. Here are quotes from THAT link:

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TV's unsolved crime and missing person police psychic detective has horrendous news problems. As we enter 2013 she's racked-up five losses in four different federal courts. And each has ordered one or more judgments against her from 2006 to 2012. She's not credible in or out of a court room. Noreen Renier has also been cited by witnesses and critics in faking major events and falsifying hundreds of direct police hiring's. It's now clear Noreen Renier has misrepresented her credentials, deceived the public, and been cited as misleading and not credible by a federal judge.

In fact six out of six U.S. federal court judges from 2005 to April 2012 have ruled against 75-year old Noreen Renier. Noreen Jean Renier is an actress promoting paranormal shams.

Indeed everything Noreen Renier claims about finding a lost and missing plane with survivors is a delusional tale she's spun into a monstrous lie. But the spider herself has now been caught in her own deceptive web...

Here's Another Link for you to read.

And a link to a JREF Forum on Noreen Ranier; also a useful read.

It seems that the only people backing her are herself, her lawyer, other quacks, and a handful of gullible and ignorant fools.

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29 Dec 2012, 1:00 pm

my 3 best doctors
one struck off
two did 9 months loss of license

all for speaking the truth!
there are many examples throughout history
of persecution against those who challenge peoples ideas about reality

look at what this current lot are feeding you

many times I have had to rely on first hand experiences to decide my belief system, due to Caesars ugly Mob, god bless them

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29 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

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The Galileo Fallacy: The notion that if you are vilified for your ideas, you must be right. It refers to Galileo Galilei's famous persecution at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church for his defense of heliocentricism in the face of the orthodox Biblical literalism of the day -- "They made fun of Galileo, and he was right; They make fun of me, therefore I must be right too!" -- People use arguments of this type repeatedly in response to serious criticisms that more often than not they just don't understand.

You do not understand any of our criticisms, and understand even less of your own claims.

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30 Dec 2012, 5:05 pm

I like this: http://madartlab.com/2011/03/03/putting ... rspective/

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