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20 Jan 2013, 5:09 am

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That is kind of vile. It is the same kind of filth that extreme Muslims say about Jews.

Now hear this: Muslims are human beings. They may be misled by a vile and insane religion but their blood is red like ours and they breathe the same air we do.

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20 Jan 2013, 5:48 am

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Thats draw Mohammed day! Your right though 2 wrongs dont make a right but their just drawings and such most people will think its stupid and not go on riots or make death threats and what not. I wouldnt be surprised if someone came up with a draw Jesus day or draw Judus day. To me the prophets were just people who are overexagerated by religion but thats just me.

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20 Jan 2013, 6:32 am

'Vile and insane religion' is a contradiction in terms.

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20 Jan 2013, 7:02 am

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I'm being honest when I say I have genuine sympathy for those people trying to defend a 7th century man of violence, a deeply flawed and failed character, a man of his time. I wouldn't want to feel like I had to defend someone like that, any more than I feel like I would have to defend any mass murderer and slaver at any time in history.

I don't have any particular positive or negative opinions about Mohammed. I don't know much about him.

I am just asking the twin questions:
- Why do Muslims care when people criticise Mohammed's actions?
- Why do anti-Islam people feel that they have scored a point by criticising Mohammed's actions?

It seems to me that Mohammed's behaviour has nothing to do with Islam. According to Islam, Mohammed was just a "pen" that God used to write down his message. If God wrote the Koran, then God is the real founder of Islam, not Mohammed. Could God have chosen a terrible person as his "pen"? Sure, why not? That sounds just like the sort of weird thing that God would do.

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20 Jan 2013, 10:51 am

Declension wrote:

- Why do Muslims care when people criticise Mohammed's actions?

His credibility reflects on the credibility of Islam, which reflects on the self worth of the adherents.

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- Why do anti-Islam people feel that they have scored a point by criticising Mohammed's actions?

An attack on his credibility damages the credibility of Islam.

Any religion is going to have its credibility dependent on the credibility of the founder(s).

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20 Jan 2013, 10:54 am

ripped wrote:

'Vile and insane religion' is a contradiction in terms.

The use of a dictionary will reduce being perceived as an idiot.

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20 Jan 2013, 11:21 am

adb wrote:

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- Why do Muslims care when people criticise Mohammed's actions?

His credibility reflects on the credibility of Islam, which reflects on the self worth of the adherents.

Declension wrote:

- Why do anti-Islam people feel that they have scored a point by criticising Mohammed's actions?

An attack on his credibility damages the credibility of Islam.

Any religion is going to have its credibility dependent on the credibility of the founder(s).

Especially if the Founder is a goat herder and a child molester.

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20 Jan 2013, 12:00 pm

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His credibility reflects on the credibility of Islam, which reflects on the self worth of the adherents.

How? I mean, if you had some reason to think he was a pathological liar, then that might have some bearing on Islam. But why does it have anything to do with Islam if he was a paedophile or a murderer? Or are we just assuming that those things go together with being a liar?

It's important to note that the Koran instructs Muslims that the primary proof that the Koran is from God is the nature of the text itself. In other words, defending the Koran's authenticity is not the same thing as defending Mohammed's character.

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20 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

From my reading of the Qur'an, it's obvious to me that the credibility of Muhammed and the authenticity of the Qur'anic texts are linked big time. As a Muslim, you can't trust one without trusting the other.

That's why Muslims don't only recite la ilaha illallah, but they also add wa moohammad rasoolallah

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20 Jan 2013, 1:52 pm

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The sooner that warmonger's credibility is seriously challenged, the better. It requires no violence to do that and it can be entirely peaceful if the followers of the religion of peace wish it. In fact, I surmise that that course of action will be an awful lot more effective than doing something stupid and pointless like bombing Mecca.

Frankly, the Islamists have lost my sympathy anyway, given what they have done to genuine Islamic holy sites across the world - beautiful buildings and places of worship (and I don't care what religion they represent), and the time and effort that went into making them has been extinguished by human vermin.

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20 Jan 2013, 2:00 pm

^ In their defence, they demolish those buildings for religious reasons that I can actually understand. It's a form of iconoclasm and not letting people get distracted from worshipping God by having material things around. It's very similar to what happened in the Reformation in Europe (in only this way).

It's a shame for an admirer of architecture to see, yes.

There is the argument that it's all about making way to expand the pilgrim mosques (the ones used for Hajj) and therefore fit more visitors in and get more money (since non-Muslims aren't allowed in Mecca anyway, you have only the pilgrim tourist market to cater for).

It's probably a mixture of both motivations.

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20 Jan 2013, 2:04 pm

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They won't mind if Mecca is razed to the ground then and built again (as long as the Joos or the Americans aren't responsible for it). They wouldn't want to be distracted from worshipping God in a pleasant place, would they.

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20 Jan 2013, 3:06 pm

Declension wrote:

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His credibility reflects on the credibility of Islam, which reflects on the self worth of the adherents.

Yes, those behaviors reflect poorly on his credibility. We associate honesty with an upstanding character.

A text is not valid justification for its own authenticity. I find the claim that it does to be pretty damning. The authenticity of the book is based on the credibility of the author.

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20 Jan 2013, 3:25 pm

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Muhammad (PBUH) IS literally a walking Quran, by making fun of Muhammad PBUH it's a direct insult on Islam. Also in Islam we love all the Prophets and insulting any Prophet is forbidden and a vile act. Prophet Muhammad PBUH however is an honorable figure in Islam that we must love even more than our own parents because he sacrificed everything he had just so we can be given the truth of Islam and be guaranteed paradise. He's our hero. Imagine how provoked and enraged an African American would be if we insult Martin Luther king jr, the man who literally sacrificed and strove in order for the African Americans to be given their rights. Even in Islam it's considered blasphemous for Muslims to joke about any of the Prophets in a mocking way.

Technically Muhammad PBUH was not the founder of Islam, he was the seal

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20 Jan 2013, 3:36 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0hwNaIpPSo[/youtube] Ok heres a guy drawing mohammed this time its not so graphic! Its the west people make fun of each others faiths all the time. I dunno I think its crazy to kill a person over a drawing.

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20 Jan 2013, 3:38 pm

*note to self,hide sketchbook*

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