Is work tyranny?
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Higher wages aren't necessarilly the only greivance of a wage slave. There is also unreasonable hours, diminished workplace rights and an absence of opportunities for self improvement and self embetterment.
Its funny, the first ones who dismiss the idea that wage slavery exists usually aren't the ones who are hard up.
its a competition in the same way that being stuck at the back of small room full of people where the door is only wide enough for one person is a competition. I don't want people to be arbitrarilly promoted and afforded higher wages. I want meritocracy. Not a dictatorship of hereditary money and sychophant shysters that can massage the system.
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i think you and I are on a similar wavelength. Then it is the bankers and parasitic economic spectators who contribute nothing tangible either in terms of work or produce that are running off with the spoils of society.
Thats why this idea of "keep your head down and run the course" lauded by certain individuals is fast becoming redundant.
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its a competition in the same way that being stuck at the back of small room full of people where the door is only wide enough for one person is a competition. I don't want people to be arbitrarilly promoted and afforded higher wages. I want meritocracy. Not a dictatorship of hereditary money and sychophant shysters that can massage the system.
That is the reality, though. Were not going to get meritocracy.
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its a competition in the same way that being stuck at the back of small room full of people where the door is only wide enough for one person is a competition. I don't want people to be arbitrarilly promoted and afforded higher wages. I want meritocracy. Not a dictatorship of hereditary money and sychophant shysters that can massage the system.
That is the reality, though. Were not going to get meritocracy.
those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
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If they can't support themselves, then they should rely on their families and friends to support them, then the System.
But if the System fails them, their families fail them, their friends fail them, and they fail themselves, what else is left; criminal activity?
Certainly, they can not rely on the churches anymore...
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Not specifically. What we need is a system that can and will provide work for those who are able, and a minimum of social support for those who are not.
So maybe the saying of Paul of Tarsus should be amended to read, "Those who do not work shall not eat as much as those who do".
No work = Subsistence living only.
Subsistence = Basic food, education, lodging, and preventive medical care.
Work = Subsistence plus whatever else you can earn - the more you earn, the better your quality of life.
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Not specifically. What we need is a system that can and will provide work for those who are able, and a minimum of social support .
I agree with you up until this extent, however what we do not need is a system that provides work for works sake, what we need is a system which provides work which maximises and utilises each human being to their full potential while giving them fair opportunity to embetter or alternate themselves.
Then you are sinning every time you switch on your computer, a lamp, a furnace, a stove, or any other modern appliance that runs on anything but muscle power.
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Manual slugging is not a synonym for hard work. There are different ways of working hard. Human beings are at their most productive when they are in roles which require artistry, subjective judgement, sportsmanship, abstract thought, moral decisions, factual processing and logic. Abolishing the institution of physical human labour and menial graft merely serves to unlock the unrealised collective potential of the human living experience.
Not specifically. What we need is a system that can and will provide work for those who are able, and a minimum of social support .
Oh, absolutely! Hiring a person to dig a hole just so you can hire another person to fill the hole back up is a ludicrous waste of human effort.
That pretty much embellishes on the system that I proposed. As long as free education is provided to all, each person has the opportunity for self-improvement. Even a physically disabled person should be given free access to a university education, as he or she may develop into the next Stephen Hawking!
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A point i like to use is the following classroom story. In school, my class had to 'vote' for their ideal job and we drew a histogram of the results. People voted for things like Astronaut, racing driver, rock star, doctor etc. No one chose 'bad jobs' like factory worker or rubbish man (garbage man).
Everyone, as a child had an 'ideal job' but due to the nature of the system, these dreams are quickly vanquished due to the practicalities inherent in our inequal society and we are forced to give them up.
In the sort of society i envision one would be able to pursue these things from the point of school to signing their work contract.
Here is the context of Paul's original statement.
We say this because we hear that there are some people among you who live lazy lives and who do nothing except meddle in other people's business. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ we command these people and warn them to lead orderly lives and work to earn their own living.
But you, friends, must not become tired of doing good. It may be that some there will not obey the message we send you in this letter. If so, take note of them and have nothing to do with them, so that they will be ashamed. But do not treat them as enemies; instead, warn them as believers.
It represents a bit of a shift from
Philip answered, “For everyone to have even a little, it would take more than two hundred silver coins[a] to buy enough bread.”
Another one of his disciples, Andrew, who was Simon Peter's brother, said, “There is a boy here who has five loaves of barley bread and two fish. But they will certainly not be enough for all these people.”
“Make the people sit down,” Jesus told them. (There was a lot of grass there.) So all the people sat down; there were about five thousand men. Jesus took the bread, gave thanks to God, and distributed it to the people who were sitting there. He did the same with the fish, and they all had as much as they wanted. When they were all full, he said to his disciples, “Gather the pieces left over; let us not waste a bit.” So they gathered them all and filled twelve baskets with the pieces left over from the five barley loaves which the people had eaten.
Compared to Jesus, Paul of Tarsus was just a busybody sourpuss who couldn't perform any miracles.
