Just THREE people want no UK rule in FI poll

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I don't remember a vote with such good turn out.

Of course it was a very important issue for them.

It should be noted than independent advisors were there, including a Uruguayan.

Interestingly, some half baked were complaining that they turned up. They would rather it was swept under the carpet.

The independent observers were from Canada, Mexico, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and New Zealand.

That's four Spanish-speaking Latin American countries isn't it to two English-speaking nations?

I am loving this even more.

I'd love to see the rictus grin that that hysterical moaning windbag Kirchner, that Spanish-German descendant of murdering colonists has now.

There are some Argentines (believe it or not) that don't buy the state brain washing that is taught from an early age in their schools.

It is not a big amount but bigger than the the percentage of Falklanders that didn't vote to remain a British overseas territory.

Also, I don't have problem with them otherwise, an of course, they actually quite like British culture, and even emulate it to an extent. More-so than some other South American states.

I know this. I feel sorry for these people. They have been failed by their country, and they deserve better. A fair number of the Argentinians don't give a crap about the Falkland Islands; indeed, a small minority actually support the British claim.

My mother is Peruvian, trust me territorial disputes are menu du jour in South America.

These broader SA pacts over this issue are rather recent, and involves a lot more behind the scenes symbolic brown nosing than meets the eye. Though I doubt it will last that long. They like territorial disputes.

I hope the rest of South America isn't as greedy as the Kirchner regime.

Can't generalize not everybody is like that, but there are countless territory disputes between the countries. Peru historically has had run ins with Chile, so that does play out. However there are plenty of Peruvians that don't pander to this bs.

There are a core that love it. Peruvian air force guy was convicted of spying for Chile. Whist I can't actually confirm or deny it, you don't really have to spy on the Peruvian air force to know it is s**t.

My favorite is the Bolivian Navy (landlocked country), another territory dispute another story.

They like a good drama. Their soap operas are called telenovela. Kirchner is straight out of central casting.

If so, perhaps it's a good idea to ignore their little hissy-fits. It'll be good for them.

I have a feeling that the (Argentina's claim) Argentinians don't understand the British mindset very well.

To an extent yes. We need to talk to other counties.

North Korea every time it is ignored, it tries to make as much noise as possible. Persistent attention seekers, will keep at it.

There is particular brand of populist leftist movement that is sweeping some of the countries in SA, that rely heavily on "colonialist" rhetoric. It is not going to stick in every country, and they also have their own identities, and tensions.

Agreed. I mean Argentina's specific hissy-fits over the Falkland Islands. I'm not suggesting for a minute that we should isolate Argentinian businesses or people or anything like that. Just their government (and the Spanish one too over Gibraltar) when they emit their 'bad smells' again.



I agree. I suggest we start with Essex and Northumberland.

lol countries.

Interestingly, there was an unofficial referendum in 1986 on the status of sovereignty in the Falkland Islands.

911 people voted, a turnout of 88.2% of the total electorate in the Falkland Islands.

96.45% (869 people) voted for the current British Dependent Territory status.
1.66% (15 people) voted for Falkland Islands Independence.
0.33% (3 people) voted for Argentinian sovereignty.
0.33% (3 people) voted for the Islands to become a United Nations Trust Territory.
1.22% (11 people) voted for another sovereignty solution than the one that was on the ballot paper.
11 people produced invalid or blank votes.

On some different notes:

In August 1995 in Bermuda, the residents of the territory were asked whether they favoured independence for Bermuda.

On a voter turnout of 58.8%:

25.88% (5,714 people) voted for independence.
74.12% (16,369 people) voted against independence and for Bermuda to remain a British Dependent Territory.
And 153 people gave invalid or blank votes.

Remember also that both the major Opposition and the Government leadership (though not the rank-and file) party of the time supported Independence. Most Bermudians however, were happy with the status quo and did not support Independence and, thus, the Independence lobby was mainly shown to be a very noisy minority.

Just goes to strengthen my argument that not even the largest overseas territory of them all, Bermuda, wants independence. It would be more than able to look after itself, too, as it's a very, very rich territory indeed.

The Gibraltarians have twice heavily rejected any Spanish sovereignty.

In September 1967, the Gibraltarians held a referendum on Spanish sovereignty. The Spanish offer had little chance of being accepted by Gibraltarians. At that time, the Spanish claim was being made by the Francoist dictatorship which had arisen from a bloody civil war which did not allow its own citizens the civil liberties that the British government guaranteed to the Gibraltarians. Furthermore, the Spanish economy, though beginning to grow, was still very backward (especially compared to the living standard the Gibraltarians had achieved), while at the same time working-class people across the frontier were living in a state of great poverty. Economic considerations aside, the idea of Spain participating in any way the sovereignty or government of The Rock was unacceptable to nearly all Gibraltarians.

On a 95.67% turnout of Gibraltarian voters:

99.64% (12,138 people) voted for British sovereignty.
0.36% (44 people) voted for Spanish sovereignty.
55 people made blank or invalid votes.

So the number of invalid and blank votes was greater than the ones to change the status quo.

In response to the overwhelming will of the Gibraltarians to stay British, Franco had the border closed on them for 15 years in order to try to isolate them and starve them out.

In 2002, the Labour government of the time tried to cook up a deal with the Spanish in order to partially cede sovereignty to them. I remember this being rather unpopular with Britain at the time, and many of us back in the UK admired the Gibraltarians' peaceful but very effective rubbishing of this deal. Peter Hain was the villain of the day. Anyway, the Government of Gibraltar held a referendum on joint sovereignty in Gibraltar.

On a 87.9% turnout:

98.48% (17,900 people) rejected joint sovereignty.
1.03% (186 people) supported joint sovereignty.
89 people sent in invalid or blank votes.

The British and Spanish Governments were essentially obliged to drop their little plan there and then, as the Gibraltarians saw them off.

None of the other territories seem to be making any noises about independence but I'm sure the British Government would be only too happy to facilitate whatever they wished.

And large hunks of the New World were peopled by Spaniard yahoos and their descendants looking for gold, slaves and converts. That is the way things happen in the Real World. But you don't believe in the Real World, do you? You prefer your cacamaymee Marxist fairyland.

ruveyn

The conquistadors and the Spanish empire are an irrelevancy, why even mention them?