How can I get myself back into going to church?

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ArrantPariah
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17 Mar 2013, 9:00 pm

And, going to church is all about putting up with people.



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17 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

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That actually makes allot of sense of my problem. It am not saying I do not believe Jesus died for me. I am merely wondering if Christians are even doing the right thing now. My problem is with people, not the Bible.


God is looking for people like you who want to "worship in Spirit and in truth", cannot rememebr where that scripture is, like wise, somewhere Jesus said, "it is in vain that they worship me, for they teach doctrines of men as commandments"

The following scripture is from Haggai chapter 2,
The point of it is, the clean and true part of your worship will be sullied and unacceptable to God if it is given in conjunction with unclean worship, or, if something dirty touches something clean, the clean thing becomes dirty, not, the dirty thing becomes clean:-

11 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,

12 If one bear holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No.

13 Then said Haggai, If one that is unclean by a dead body touch any of these, shall it be unclean? And the priests answered and said, It shall be unclean.

14 Then answered Haggai, and said, So is this people, and so is this nation before me, saith the Lord; and so is every work of their hands; and that which they offer there is unclean.

Now, having Gods view on the matter, you will realise that when churches acknowledge what they know to be "unclean" pagan practices, but say such practices have been "sanctified", you are left with a choice to believe and obey God, or men.

(If you examine a lot of the "Christian" churches practices and holiday traditions, you will find most of them are the same as previously used in Nimrod Sun worshiping, you wont find them in the Bible. The Catholic Church was the start of as Jesus called it, "the Great Apostasy, the Roman Empire was fragmenting under all the different religions so Constantine mixed them all together to form the all pleasing Catholic Church.
What does Jealous God think of this though, when we are told, you cannot be drinking out of the cup of God and the cup of demons, and then of course there is the first of the ten commandments).

No wonder Jesus said, "Judgement will begin at the House of God.



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17 Mar 2013, 10:52 pm

I'd ask yourself two questions:

1.) do you believe Jesus Christ is your savior?
2.) would it help you to interact with a community of believers?

If yes to both, then I agree with everyone else and just shop around. Church is mostly social, it is true, but I think that everyone needs that to encourage them. The trick is finding the right group. It's difficult, but as I have learned, the religious communities worth joining will be tolerant of other beliefs. They may prefer you to believe what they believe, but they will be tolerant and accepting.



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17 Mar 2013, 11:36 pm

Better questions:

a. Do you believe that AIDS is a punishment inflicted by God exclusively on homosexuals for their sins?

b. Do you believe that you are guilty of sins committed by your ancestors, your descendents, and all of your living relatives?

c. Do you believe that committing a sin in God's name brings you rewards in Heaven?

d. Do you believe that autistic spectrum disorders in children are evidence of their parents' sins?

e. Do you believe that female children are to be taught only to fulfill their roles as wives and mothers, to defer to their husbands' authority, and to be silent in church?

f. Do you believe that reason and science are parts of Satan’s plan to divert Christians from their faith in God?

g. Do you believe that secular schools should teach Christianity to all children regardless of their parent's wishes to the contrary?

If you answered "Yes" to a majority of these questions, then you belong in church.


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18 Mar 2013, 1:58 am

Not fair Fnord.

There are miracles and treasures in every faith.



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18 Mar 2013, 7:37 am

ripped wrote:
Not fair Fnord.

Since when is telling the truth not fair?

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There are miracles and treasures in every faith.

Believing in such myths allows the comfort of having an opinion without the discomfort of having to think.



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18 Mar 2013, 8:33 am

GreenTechnoFox wrote:

I suppose you are right, but I am kind of fearful of my soul being damnified for all eternity.


That is a scare story calculated to get your acquiescence. Just because someone says "Boo!" you don't have to be frightened.

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18 Mar 2013, 9:37 am

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... I am kind of fearful of my soul being damnified for all eternity.

Going to church will not change that.

According to the BIBLE, only FAITH in the BLOOD OF JESUS for the atonement of YOUR SINS will get you into HEAVEN! !! !! !!

Anything else you may have heard is likely to be either a guilt trip or an outright lie.


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18 Mar 2013, 10:46 am

Fnord wrote:
Better questions:

a. Do you believe that AIDS is a punishment inflicted by God exclusively on homosexuals for their sins?

b. Do you believe that you are guilty of sins committed by your ancestors, your descendents, and all of your living relatives?

c. Do you believe that committing a sin in God's name brings you rewards in Heaven?

d. Do you believe that autistic spectrum disorders in children are evidence of their parents' sins?

e. Do you believe that female children are to be taught only to fulfill their roles as wives and mothers, to defer to their husbands' authority, and to be silent in church?

f. Do you believe that reason and science are parts of Satan’s plan to divert Christians from their faith in God?

g. Do you believe that secular schools should teach Christianity to all children regardless of their parent's wishes to the contrary?

If you answered "Yes" to a majority of these questions, then you belong in church.


Really? Really?

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people would say no to most, if not all, of these questions. And a lot of people go to Church. So I'm pretty sure that these questions are not really an accurate determination of whether or not people should go to Church or not.

And GreenTechnoFox, perhaps it is better if you follow his first piece of advice on this thread.
Fnord wrote:
If you want to go back to church, then just go; don't let people like me talk you out of it.


Then again, if you are just going because you are afraid of being damned, then that's not a good reason to go - you should go if you believe in what a Church is saying. I know that sounds like a contradiction, but it is the best piece of advice I can give right now.



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18 Mar 2013, 11:33 am

Dragoness wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Better questions:

a. Do you believe that AIDS is a punishment inflicted by God exclusively on homosexuals for their sins?

b. Do you believe that you are guilty of sins committed by your ancestors, your descendents, and all of your living relatives?

c. Do you believe that committing a sin in God's name brings you rewards in Heaven?

d. Do you believe that autistic spectrum disorders in children are evidence of their parents' sins?

e. Do you believe that female children are to be taught only to fulfill their roles as wives and mothers, to defer to their husbands' authority, and to be silent in church?

f. Do you believe that reason and science are parts of Satan’s plan to divert Christians from their faith in God?

g. Do you believe that secular schools should teach Christianity to all children regardless of their parent's wishes to the contrary?

If you answered "Yes" to a majority of these questions, then you belong in church.


Really? Really?

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people would say no to most, if not all, of these questions. And a lot of people go to Church. So I'm pretty sure that these questions are not really an accurate determination of whether or not people should go to Church or not.

These are just seven of the over one-hundred doctrinal beliefs that have been taught to me in various Christian churches during Sunday School, Bible Study, Fellowship, and even from the pulpit in established main-stream denominations. I've been keeping a record of such teachings for over 40 years (would you like a copy?), so...

If they believe these things, and the church teaches otherwise, then they should go to church so that they can learn proper belief.

If they believe these things, and the church teaches them, then they should go to church so that they do not forsake the fellowship of believers..

Because, as YOU said, "you should go if you believe in what a Church is saying." Otherwise, if they don't believe these things, then maybe they're better off just reading the Bible on their own and avoiding church altogether.


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18 Mar 2013, 12:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
Dragoness wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Better questions:

a. Do you believe that AIDS is a punishment inflicted by God exclusively on homosexuals for their sins?

b. Do you believe that you are guilty of sins committed by your ancestors, your descendents, and all of your living relatives?

c. Do you believe that committing a sin in God's name brings you rewards in Heaven?

d. Do you believe that autistic spectrum disorders in children are evidence of their parents' sins?

e. Do you believe that female children are to be taught only to fulfill their roles as wives and mothers, to defer to their husbands' authority, and to be silent in church?

f. Do you believe that reason and science are parts of Satan’s plan to divert Christians from their faith in God?

g. Do you believe that secular schools should teach Christianity to all children regardless of their parent's wishes to the contrary?

If you answered "Yes" to a majority of these questions, then you belong in church.


Really? Really?

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people would say no to most, if not all, of these questions. And a lot of people go to Church. So I'm pretty sure that these questions are not really an accurate determination of whether or not people should go to Church or not.

These are just seven of the over one-hundred doctrinal beliefs that have been taught to me in various Christian churches during Sunday School, Bible Study, Fellowship, and even from the pulpit in established main-stream denominations. I've been keeping a record of such teachings for over 40 years (would you like a copy?), so...

If they believe these things, and the church teaches otherwise, then they should go to church so that they can learn proper belief.

If they believe these things, and the church teaches them, then they should go to church so that they do not forsake the fellowship of believers..

Because, as YOU said, "you should go if you believe in what a Church is saying." Otherwise, if they don't believe these things, then maybe they're better off just reading the Bible on their own and avoiding church altogether.


Sadly, in many churches this has become true.. but the true purpose of Christianity is not any of these things.
Just read the bible, listen to Jesus.
Personally I agree with the saying "I love Jesus, not his followers"
What churches are doing is not what Jesus would have wanted. It might be what the god of the old testament would have wanted, but most Christians assure me that that part of the bible "doesn't count" anymore :roll:
(For the record I'm not a Christian :P)



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18 Mar 2013, 12:20 pm

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Just read the bible, listen to Jesus.


Jesus is a...



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18 Mar 2013, 12:21 pm

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Personally I agree with the saying "I love Jesus, not his followers"


You agree with a crazy Jew who thought he was God's son and who commands you to sell all you have and give the money to the poor?

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18 Mar 2013, 1:31 pm

But Jesus also hung out with whores,tax collectors and lepers,and possibly one zombie,Lazarus.Plus he made all that wine and seemed to like to party some.That Jesus is all right by me.Liked it when he kicked the money changers asses.
Does not seem like the type to hold a grudge,so it's all good.He'd forgive everybody.
Can't imagine him wanting to sit thru some longwinded boring sermon wearing some scratchy uncomfortable suit.He'd be at the BBQ drinking beer with the sinners.


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18 Mar 2013, 1:39 pm

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Can't imagine him wanting to sit thru some longwinded boring sermon wearing some scratchy uncomfortable suit.He'd be at the BBQ drinking beer with the sinners.

Merry: "Son, we're out of beer."

Jebus: "What would you have me do, woman? You know it is not yet my time."

[She gives him one of those looks only a mother can give, and then walks away.]

Merry: "Do whatever he tells you!"

Pete: "C'mon, J-Man! We can take my car!"

Tom: "I don't think we can all be in one Accord."

:jester:



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18 Mar 2013, 2:36 pm

Fnord wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Can't imagine him wanting to sit thru some longwinded boring sermon wearing some scratchy uncomfortable suit.He'd be at the BBQ drinking beer with the sinners.

Merry: "Son, we're out of beer."

Jebus: "What would you have me do, woman? You know it is not yet my time."

[She gives him one of those looks only a mother can give, and then walks away.]

Merry: "Do whatever he tells you!"

Pete: "C'mon, J-Man! We can take my car!"

Tom: "I don't think we can all be in one Accord."

:jester:


groan! Are you happy now?

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