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0_equals_true
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02 May 2013, 5:39 pm

Sharia rules of theft, murder, fraud, etc and these are public issues. Adultery is not, but their position on violates our law, and that is a public issue.

Private law/rule cannot be unlawful, and its rulings cannot break the law of the land.

Have you studied sharia?



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02 May 2013, 5:44 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Have you studied sharia?


Watch how the Muslim leaders who advocate for Sharia in this country are deliberately evasive about what Sharia actually is.

It's a barbaric, horrific 'legal system'.



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02 May 2013, 6:38 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Not in the least.

But there is a benchmark that must be reached before the state can intervene. If she is unwilling to sever her ties with her community, or to stand up and say, "I do not agree," then where is the legal or ethical basis for the state to step in and intervene?

I know that many women in these communities are repressed. I also know that until they stand up and say so, we act presumptuously if we try to intervene on their behalf.


Given that state intervention in abusive situations can introduce even western/secular women to resources that they did not know were available, how much more so would this be applicable to a cloistered woman? She's less likely to seek escape if she's kept away from any view of the outside world and culture.



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02 May 2013, 6:46 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Sharia rules of theft, murder, fraud, etc and these are public issues. Adultery is not, but their position on violates our law, and that is a public issue.

Private law/rule cannot be unlawful, and its rulings cannot break the law of the land.

Have you studied sharia?


But they cannot punish adultery, because they do not have jurisdiction to impose punishments. So how does their position on adultery violate our law?

At the end of the day, any ruling by a Sharia court only binds the parties in law to the extent that they agree to be bound, and access to the civil courts remains as a final forum for the settlement of any question other than one that is purely religious.


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