Misogyny/MRA is a sign of weakness

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And why is being weak a bad thing? Why should a person be shamed for being weak?

Also, there's confusion here of correlation and causation. Is it that weak men become sexually frustrated or is it that sexually frustrated men become weak? There's a cycle going on here and it's not as simple as you state it. Example: let's say a woman is cruel towards a man. If he shows that the cruelty hurts him he's called weak. He's forced to destroy or ignore his own emotions because everyone will shun him otherwise. If he responds aggressively, he is called misogynistic. It's a no-win situation. Weak or misogyny you choose. There are no good options.

Finally, it's a bald faced lie that powerful men have no problems getting women. Powerful men who have multiple partners and use their power and money to get sex are the real misogynists. That is the behavior that demeans women because it makes women nothing more than a sex toy and disposable when they become boring.

For all the screaming, I couldn't hear what the message of the protesting women was. The one seemed sure that a man passing by her was a rapist . . . I'd really like to know what led her to that conclusion.
The narrator, who's selling his book, was equally obnoxious though. I would like him to have shown the women's arugments rather than the silly posturing.

Yea, well I can see both sides. It's just that extreme radicalism doesn't get them support. It gets them trolled by people who think bashing them is fun for some reason.


I really don't know that much about them. It doesn't seem like the ones who go around calling themselves "MRA" are legitimate. But then there are groups that don't go by any label who get accused of being MRA because they replace "women's' rights" with "gender equality". The latter is taken as denial of patriarchy/privilege and an automatic insult to feminists.

I don't hang around PPR... that must've been one UGLY thread to get itself locked there!

It's no secret I don't care much for one-sided agendas, especially if they use bully tactics to silence opposition rather than discuss the matter rationally.

I'll be a good boy and tread carefully. [Chooses "Light Step" perk]

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Comparing the MRA movement to the feminist movement is ridiculous. Real activism is about fighting for the rights of others not taking them away.

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My God, that's scary!

Yes.......and that's why it's good we live in a democracy where one group doesn't hold all the power. Like I said, I'm a misanthrope. I have very little faith in humanity and stuff like this MRA thing is a great example of why.........

Way to be completely brainwashed by feminism.

They are not the minority. They are the VAST majority. The ONLY people to have ever truly gained from the patriarchy, is the >1% that controls 90% of the wealth.
By now Western women are more privileged than Western men.

Why is that when somebody fights FOR the rights of men, people automatically assume that they are also fighting AGAINST the rights of women?
Why is it that whenever someone tries to discredit a feminist statement, they'll automatically get accused of misogyny and wanting to take away women's rights?

Modern feminism is riddled with lies, bulls**t and skewed statistics.
-"Women get paid less for doing the same job." ==> BS
Women earn less on average, because the average man approaches his career in a totally different matter than the average woman.
-"Rule of thumb originates from a common wealth law that allowed men to beat their wives with a stick no thicker than their thumb." ==> BS
Such a law never existed, and there have been laws to protect battered women in the U.S. since the freaking 1800's
-"At least men can feel safe while walking alone in the dark." ==> BS
As men we are FAR more likely to become the victim of a violent crime.
-"95% of all sexual assault has a female victim and male offender" ==> BS
Objective research shows that in wartime, about 33-40% of all rape victims are male. Another study suggests that the majority of rape victims in the U.S. is actually male, considering prison rape is the single most common form.
-"Domestic abuse is almost exclusively a women's issue" ==> BS
Just as many men suffer from their wives, and in fact it's shown that in the majority of cases where the man got arrested, it was the woman who struck first.

By now Western women have more rights than men, more social freedom than men and face less sexism than men. But modern feminism keeps fooling us.
-Women have the right to have control over parenthood.
-Women have the right to use physical aggression against the opposite sex.
-A woman doing a job that used to be considered just for men, will see a lot more support and acceptance, than a man doing a job that used to be considered just for women. Such as a stay-at-home dad.
-Women face less jail time for the same crime, and men are more than 10x as likely to receive the death penalty for a crime of the same degree.
-Men still face genital mutilation through neo natal circumcision (and not mentioning that female circumcision is a lot worse is often enough to be called a misogynist.)
-Women get handed jobs just because they're women because of those ridiculous gender quotas.
etc.

sixstring wrote:

Incorrect. Women still have far more "rules" they have to follow, far more demands and expectations, far greater stigmas if they break them, and then there's that glass ceiling. Of course, men are also harshly judged for not conforming to society's gender expectations. I have been a victim of this also, so I am empathetic towards women who experience similar things. [/quote]

What a load......... What rights do women have that men don't have exactly? Where are all these poor oppressed men exactley? Clearly a feminist conspiracy must be covering them up........

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Women do not have more rules and expectations. For instance, women do not have the same career pressure as men, the same pressure to be physically fit and the same pressure to be confident.

Domestic abuse of women is a far more severe issue for women, though. Men are on average twice as strong as women in the upper body, so it's much more unfair on women.

Some of the arguments on this thread support my most outlandish arguments in the OP. For example: those claiming that women have more job opportunities, or that men don't have more. This is only true if you are in the lower class where many of men have criminal records and few have any education. So the ones making this argument are not the strong, nor would I characterize them as winners.

If you had a good upper middle class job, you would realize that men get most of the higher paying jobs. If you don't realize this, that means you are not familiar with high-paying jobs, and so you are definitely not a winner.

Men on average work more and take more demanding educations. Take a look at the male-to-female ratio in medicine, law or engineering.

1) Yes it is. Statistics about rape and spousal abuse. Rule of thumb (which is LITERALLY invented). Etc.
2) But then they're not getting paid less for the same job. They earn less because they have a different job.
Yes, you can make the argument that it's more difficult for women to get promoted (although, this also has a lot to do with the fact that women are much more passive when it comes to chasing a promotion, and by now there are already more female mangers than male, so things have changed). But the statement that women get paid less for doing the *same* job is nonsense.
3) Yes it is. It's all part of the feminist distorted view of our history. They make it seem like marriage was a woman being passed on as property, to be beaten up and raped every single day.
It's a blatant lie.
4) Fine for you. But like I said, we are FAR, FAR, FAR more likely to be beaten up, stabbed, mugged, ran over, shot, etc. It's much more dangerous for us than it is for women out there.
5) Thank you for at least agreeing with me on this part. Did you know that the vast majority of countries doesn't even legally recognize women can rape men?
6) Rapists and child abusers form a big minority. The vast majority of U.S. prisoners are locked up for grand theft and drug charges. Are you going to tell me they deserve to get raped too?
7) No, it's NOT. Men are just as likely to get beaten up.
8 ) The glass ceiling, FFS. That has been shattered two decades ago.
Please, please tell me what social expectations do women have that men don't nowadays? Women used to be expected to stay at home (which by the way, in those days was a fate much less worse than having to work), do all the cleaning and raising the kids all by herself. That was about it. Women can work, no one is forcing them to stay at home. And men nowadays are expected to partake in cleaning and raising the kids.

Also, please tell me how they are worse than
-Being the one who's expected to sacrifice his health and happiness so he can bring in the most money.
-Being ridiculed and not being taken seriously if you do not want a career.
-Being the one who has to go to war.
-Being the one who's expected to put his life on the line whenever there is danger.
-Being the one who has the sacrifice his wishes the most often in favor of the wife's wishes.

Besides that, men are still expected to do the chasing, to be a gentleman, to be a leader and decisive.

Men used to have more rights than women, but that came at a cost. Namely, men also had many more duties and responsibilities. By now women have earned all these rights, but the male duties and responsibilities, still fall onto the male's shoulder.


Now with all this it might seem that I'm pretending women have no issues and that's terribly hard to be a man. Not my intention.
What I am trying to explain however, is that whatever social issues Western women face, men face it just as bad.
But feminists still continuously focus on the issues that women face, completely ignoring the male side. Which leads to things seeming MUCH harder for women than they actually are, and MUCH easier for men than they actually are.

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You just cherry picked certain jobs.

Medical school = true, but not by much.

8,396 vs. 8,968

It's also true that in progressive states like New Jersey and New York, more women go to medical school. It's super conservative states like Alabama and Kentucky that skew the numbers.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/me ... by-gender/

Law not by much either. http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... atrics.asp.

Engineering, yeah probably. This is actually a symptom of bias, not a statement that bias does not exist. It's actually a stupid liberal idea to think you can fix everything in higher education. The gender bias in math and science goes back to middle school. In China, among the Shanghai schools, where the upper class go to same-gendered boarding schools without the usual high-school BS, math and science achievement are equal in men and women. Same in Finland, which also has a tightly regulated school-system and, unlike China and the U.S., a fairly egalitarian society.

The U.S. is a prejudiced culture where kids are raised (in many cases) by uneducated, backwards parents with little or no oversight. So men and women are prepared to think differently, act differently, and pursue different career goals. And then the system tends to favor the way men are prepared to by the system to operate.

Trust me, I know. Having NLD--and being actually incapable of many things women are only supposedly incapable of--makes me understand the biases of the system in a unique way.

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