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01 Jun 2013, 11:57 pm

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The Federal Reserve Board is an entity created by Congress, subject to oversight by the legislative process, and audited on a regular (at least annual) basis by a major accounting firm and the congressional Government Accountability Office (GAO).

And it appears that you're mixing debt issued by the US Government with debt owned by the Federal Reserve Board/System. The US Treasury sells what amount to promises to pay money later (debt), and the the Federal Reserve is one of many buyers of that debt (they are one of the largest). The largest single owner of US Treasury debt is.....the Social Security trust fund, also effectively run by the US Treasury.

Sorry, sir, you are utterly wrong.

While Congress did create the Federal Reserve Board, the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK is privately owned, DOES NOT answer to the Federal Reserve Board and is not subject to audit by ANYONE. Indeed Ron Paul was recently pushing for a law to audit the Federal Reserve Bank to no success.

When the USA needs to make its budget, it does a voodoo move where the Federal Reserve BANK gives the US Treasury permission to print money (which constitutionally it already can do) in exchange for US Bonds which must be redeemed in the future at interest.

The power to print currency always belonged with the Congress and the US Treasury. Granting that to a private bank was an act of pure treason.

Please let congress know that the audited financial statements really arn't audited....I'm sure they'd love to know how the GAO and a Big 4 firm (DT) missed that.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetaryp ... tm#audited (multiple)
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetaryp ... mt2012.pdf (pdf copy, see page 3)

Congress can take back setting monetary policy if they want to, they hav'nt. For what it's worth, I agreed with at least some of the spirit of Rep. Paul's bill. If you look at Japan, Prime Minister Abe campaigned on taking back monetary policy, won a mandate from the voters, and took back policy control from the Bank of Japan. While the monetary policy of Japan is well beyond the scope of this post, that's the example that you'd presumably be looking at.

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02 Jun 2013, 12:03 am

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Jesusland has the best agriculture land.But can't it have another name than that??That sounds like a Baptist Amusement park.
I can think of a good one,but some people would get a bee in their bonnet.

Nope, got to be Jesusland to make all the right wing religious fanatics who inhabit the area happy.

The United States of Canada would do just fine for agriculture land. California is the largest agriculture state right now. Add to that the Prairie Provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Jesusland would be begging for food, just like North Korea.

More important, the United States of Canada would own all the technology in Silicon Valley. Jesusland would just be a third world country, filled with Tea Baggers who don't want to pay taxes. The infrastructure in Jesusland would totally collapse. The underfunded Jesusland schools would be teaching creationism and the bible instead of real education. Jesusland would be an epic FAIL.

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02 Jun 2013, 12:16 am

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In the meantime, the United States of Canada would be on the cutting edge of technology found in Silicon Valley, and Seattle. Plus, culturally and in terms of the entertainment industry, the USC would be light years ahead of Jesusland, which would only have Nashville, the Grand Ol' Opry, Dollywood, and that Creationist park.

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Exactly Jesusland would be an epic FAIL. At least Liberals and Conservatives would get the countries they want and deserve.

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02 Jun 2013, 12:32 am

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Heh why is Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware in Jesusland? Occupied territories?

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02 Jun 2013, 12:36 am

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We have a better climate,it's nice to have sunshine and not drizzle all day.We also have New Orleans,Austin and AshevilleThe best food and a variety of music.A great mix of cultures.And we have BBQ and the Blues.And most of the really good national parks.

What about California and Hawaii?

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02 Jun 2013, 12:51 am

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Heh why is Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware in Jesusland? Occupied territories?

Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware all voted for George W. Bush. Anybody who voted for Bush doesn't deserve to be a citizen of United States of Canada.

But if every single resident of those states wanted to get down on their hands and knees and beg for forgiveness, for their stupidity, we could probably take pity on them and let them join the United States of Canada. :mrgreen:

I suspect that most of the western states would want to defect from Jesusland too. But the south, no way. They got to be Jesusland.

Actually that is not true:

http://www.2001inaugural.com/2000-election-map.html

http://politicalmaps.org/2004-presidential-election-maps/

The D.C. and Baltimore Metropolitan area in Maryland will not fit whatsoever with the Jesusland culture. Maryland is one of the more liberal states in the country.

Time for you to "beg for forgiveness". :wink:

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02 Jun 2013, 1:14 am

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You forget (or don’t know) that several states in Jesusland are also leaders in technology plus we have several academically high ranked universities (want a list?).
Also, we’ll have the lead in agriculture. I'm not sure the US of C could even sustain itself given your population vs. crop production. We could probably starve you all out then make you bankrupt yourselves paying us for food.
We’ll make do with our own entertainment industry and finally be shut of all those leftist Hollywierd idiots. We'll at least have healthy entertainment (lots of war movies

and other wholesome family entertainment for a change).
Not to mention a far superior military machine where real technology can be put to use. “Might Makes Right” will be our national motto and if we find that we want (not necessarily need) something the US of C has we’ll just "liberate" that state and bring it under our boot heel.

What Max000 said.
And wholesome, family entertainment?!?!?!?! My God, I'd slit my wrists in mere minutes if that was all I had to watch!

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02 Jun 2013, 1:35 am

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The United States of Canada would do just fine for agriculture land. California is the largest agriculture state right now. Add to that the Prairie Provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Jesusland would be begging for food, just like North Korea.

I don’t think you’ve actually looked at all the land that would be Jesusland and what it produces. Commifornia and the Canuckistan prairie could never compete.

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More important, the United States of Canada would own all the technology in Silicon Valley. Jesusland would just be a third world country, filled with Tea Baggers who don't want to pay taxes. The infrastructure in Jesusland would totally collapse. The underfunded Jesusland schools would be teaching creationism and the bible instead of real education. Jesusland would be an epic FAIL.

Silicon Valley isn't everything and even if it was we could create a few just like it (probably better) in Jesusland.
http://statetechandscience.org/stateTech.taf?page=map&show=top

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Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware all voted for George W. Bush. Anybody who voted for Bush doesn't deserve to be a citizen of United States of Canada.

I doubt they’d want to be.

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But if every single resident of those states wanted to get down on their hands and knees and beg for forgiveness, for their stupidity, we could probably take pity on them and let them join the United States of Canada. I suspect that most of the western states would want to defect from Jesusland too. But the south, no way. They got to be Jesusland.

They won’t and even if they wanted to there will be no secession from Jesusland. If it was okay for the USA to force the South to remain in the union then the same should apply always.

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What about California and Hawaii?

So what about California and Hawaii? :roll:

It’s important to remember that Jesusland is not just the South and a few northeastern and midwestern states but the Rocky Mountain west, great plains, most all of the desert southwest, and Alaska.

Besides, with our immense military might we can always just TAKE more. I assure you that the US of C can never hold a candle to the Jesusland war machine. :twisted:

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02 Jun 2013, 1:35 am

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Max000 wrote:

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Heh why is Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware in Jesusland? Occupied territories?

I suspect that most of the western states would want to defect from Jesusland too. But the south, no way. They got to be Jesusland.

Thanks for the correction. Anyway, Jesusland is the red states from 2004, and I agree those states wouldn't fit into Jesusland.

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02 Jun 2013, 1:52 am

Who says Jesusland would have much military might? Would they have the infrastructure and industry - and taxation - to build up and support significant armed forces? And on top of that, those parts of the USC that had once been part of the USA have the bulk of the American population. Jesusland would have empty space between population clumps.
And by the way, eastern Washington and eastern Oregon also have very significant farmland.

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02 Jun 2013, 2:16 am

Max000 wrote:

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Heh why is Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware in Jesusland? Occupied territories?

I suspect that most of the western states would want to defect from Jesusland too. But the south, no way. They got to be Jesusland.

Thanks for the correction. Anyway, Jesusland is the red states from 2004, and I agree those states wouldn't fit into Jesusland.

That is alright. Many people still consider Maryland a Southern state even know it does not fit the culture of the Southern states anymore. I consider it a Mid Atlantic state.

Raptor, it is not about the military. Mighty empires and kingdoms have fallen to "lesser" foes. Technology is the way of the future and United States of Canada has the edge. Plus the U.S.C. has a lot of economical power and major cities that have strong economical ties with other nations.

As they say, "Do not bite off more than you can chew!" :lol:

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02 Jun 2013, 2:43 am

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I don’t think you’ve actually looked at all the land that would be Jesusland and what it produces. Commifornia and the Canuckistan prairie could never compete.

California produces twice as much agriculture as Texas. Three of the top 6 agriculture producing states would go to the United States of Canada. Add to that Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba which are all larger and have more agriculture land then Texas. The United States of Canada would totally pwn Jesusland for agriculture.

Agriculture receipts: Total (Ranked by 2004 value)

1. California 31,835,183
2. Texas 16,498,398
3. Iowa 14,652,946
4. Nebraska 11,779,728
5. Minnesota 9,794,912
6. Illinois 9,708,304

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02 Jun 2013, 8:43 am

The military might of the US is built on the platform of science and engineering. If these go into decline in the US - or becomes heavily dependent on (disloyal and unpatriotic?) foreigners and immigrants - then the might of the military declines along with it.

American policians don't seem to realise that their global free market economic policies discourage science and engineering in the US.

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02 Jun 2013, 10:36 am

JL has oil resources,a diamond mine,and water.There is no richer soil either,we have the bread basket of America.

@Max000,that list is pitiful.Ever heard of Riceland rice?You didn't add up all the states that are significant agri contributors.
We do have the New Madrid fault,but the West coast has a volcanoes,tsunamis,and a really big fault line.One big natural disaster would cripple that area without aid from elsewhere.
And just where is Texas Instruments located??

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02 Jun 2013, 12:20 pm

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You must think that everything east of the left coast is an empty wasteland. Have you ever been outside Wa? :roll:

Combined, we’ll have a bigger population and infrastructure. California is the only US of C state with a lot of military bases but you can rest assured they are staffed primarily with Jesuslanders who will take whatever’s not nailed down when they leave to return to their homeland.
Good luck getting all those blue state slackers and Canadians to form anything better than a weak, understaffed, and pathetically armed peacekeeping force. :lol:

Taxes? We don’t mind paying taxes for worthwhile causes.
You’ll squander all of your tax revenue on social services.

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California is the top producer but all of Jesusland combined will out produce it and whatever else without breaking a sweat.

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Jesusland Technology Centers:
Dulles Technology Corridor - Northern Virginia
Research Triangle - North Carolina
Florida High Tech Corridor - Central Florida
Cummings Research Park - Huntsville, Alabama
University of Kentucky Coldstream Research Campus
Optics Valley - Tucson, Arizona
Denver Tech Center - Denver, Colorado
Silicon Hills - Austin, Texas
Silicon Prairie - Metropolitan Dallas
Telecom Corridor (an area in the Silicon Prairie) - Richardson, Texas

In a nutshell the US of C gets PWN3D :lol:

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02 Jun 2013, 1:16 pm

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What about California and Hawaii?

Hawaii is beautiful. California is imploding rapidly.

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