Why did Yahweh hate Esau?

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01 Jun 2013, 12:56 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Here is another interpretation

Esau was a nerd, according to the Westboro Baptist Church.

Essau was a jock. Jacob was a nerd.

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That's right.

If our friends at the Westboro Baptist Church really want to use Romans 9:13, then they should change the sign to read "God Hates Jocks!", and then go and picket a sporting event, like the Superbowl. Otherwise, people are going to think that they are silly.

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01 Jun 2013, 1:01 pm

That would be funny,the Westies going up against a bunch of drunk jocks.I'd even watch the Superbowl if that was on it.

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01 Jun 2013, 1:20 pm

Misslizard wrote:

That would be funny,the Westies going up against a bunch of drunk jocks.I'd even watch the Superbowl if that was on it.

Well, at least people wouldn't think that they were just being silly.

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01 Jun 2013, 1:27 pm

Yes,that would just be awful :lol: They got blocked from a soldiers funeral in Boone co,Ark.
The Arkansas state boys met them at the county line,told them not to cross over.One did,he went to jail till the funeral was over. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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01 Jun 2013, 7:50 pm

Misslizard wrote:

Yes,that would just be awful :lol:

They got blocked from a soldiers funeral in Boone co,Ark.
The Arkansas state boys met them at the county line,told them not to cross over.One did,he went to jail till the funeral was over. :lol:

Shoulda charged him with a felony and kept him in the slammer longer.

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Here are a couple of guys, playing with Adam and Eve figurines.

They are really into Adam, and they take the role play quite seriously--right down to the playtex gloves.

It's laytex, not playtex. And if they were that exited they shoulda just ditched the gloves and dove in bareback.

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01 Jun 2013, 10:00 pm

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Esau was born before Jacob therefore had the birthright to be in a covenant marriage relationship with God, to be the chosen ones of God, to give birth to the Messiah, to rule over the whole Earth as Gods representatives, but he deemed a bowl of soup to be of greater worth by swapping his birthright to his younger Brother Jacob for it.

I would imagine God would be quite offended to offer a man so much and have him turn it down for a bowl of soup instead.

That says it about as simply as possible.

The eldest son was the proper inheritor of a dynasty. Esau either did not learn the value of this or did not regard it. The idea of selling a birthright for a meal would be unthinkable to anyone who took the value of being the first born seriously.

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01 Jun 2013, 10:45 pm

In the Genesis account, you don't see any particular expressions of hatred of Esau by Yahweh. Jacob played a lot of tricks on Esau, but, in the end, they reconciled and made up with each other. And, eventually, the Edomites merged with the Jews.

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02 Jun 2013, 1:02 am

zer0netgain wrote:

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Esau had a problem with self control. He sold his birthright for a pot of stew. Esau would not have made a good founder for people of the covenant. Esau was a jock, and Jacob was a scholar.

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02 Jun 2013, 1:29 am

Yahweh was made in the image of some hateful snobby Jews who thought they were better than everyone else. That is why Yahweh hates Esau but not Jacob.

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02 Jun 2013, 10:50 am

Raptor wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

In Romans 9

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=GNT

Paul is trying to make the point that Yahweh decides whom he will love and whom he will hate based upon shere whimsy.

As one of his supporting points, Paul states

Paul wrote:

As the scripture says, “I loved Jacob, but I hated Esau.”

Paul might have been reading Malachi prior to writing his letter to the Romans.

Malachi 1 wrote:

The Lord says to his people, “I have always loved you.”

But they reply, “How have you shown your love for us?”

The Lord answers, “Esau and Jacob were brothers, but I have loved Jacob and his descendants, and have hated Esau and his descendants. I have devastated Esau's hill country and abandoned the land to jackals.”

If Esau's descendants, the Edomites, say, “Our towns have been destroyed, but we will rebuild them,” then the Lord will reply, “Let them rebuild—I will tear them down again. People will call them ‘The evil country’ and ‘The nation with whom the Lord is angry forever.’”

So, okay, the Israelites had it in for the Edomites, and attributed a terrible attitude towards them on the part of Yahweh.

Did Yahweh actually hate Esau? If so, why? Divine whim?

I was under the impression that you were an atheist......

In logic provisional propositions are made.
For example, to prove "A" one provisionally takes the position "-A", ( not A) then shows that "-A" contradicts itself. Therefore since "-A" cannot not be true, "A" must be true. ( - - A=A, not not "A"="A".)

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02 Jun 2013, 10:54 am

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Yahweh was made in the image of some hateful snobby Jews who thought they were better than everyone else. That is why Yahweh hates Esau but not Jacob.

Jesus Saves. Moses Invests.

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02 Jun 2013, 11:05 am

Jesus buys his sandals at the dollar store. Jesus saves. Jesus saves. Jesus saves.
Anyway,forgive the bad joke.
As for trolling, I believe in judging behaviour not motives. * If someone is motivated to search and destroy my arguments because I destroyed one of his, thats OK, if he attacks my argument and not me. No ad hominums allowed! Not only are they rude they are logical fallacies and have nothing to do with the subject being discussed.
* No one can read another person's mind.

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02 Jun 2013, 11:15 am

ruveyn wrote:

MCalavera wrote:

Yahweh was made in the image of some hateful snobby Jews who thought they were better than everyone else. That is why Yahweh hates Esau but not Jacob.

Jesus Saves. Moses Invests.

ruveyn

Both Jesus and Moses were Jews, and that's why we have these sh***y religions still going on.

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02 Jun 2013, 11:26 am

Anti-Semitism is an ad hominum. I am a liberal. If someone attacks one of my arguments, that is OK. However, if one says that my argument is wrong because I am a liberal, that is an ad hominum and not OK.
I do not think calling me a liberal is an insult. However, it is a logical fallacy, an ad hominum.
For example the below is a logical fallacy.
1. Manson is a liar.
2. Manson said, "2+2=4"
3. Therefore, 2+2=4 is not true.
Manson's character has nothing to do with the truth value of 2+2=4.

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02 Jun 2013, 11:38 am

Why do you keep regurgitating this fallacy thing as if people here don't know what an ad hominem is.

Anyway, my post doesn't display the logical fallacy of ad hominem because I'm not trying to make any serious argument and it wasn't even meant for you to respond to. Why don't you go respond to my serious posts in that other thread where we do have a debate? It's been a while.

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02 Jun 2013, 11:57 am

"Both Jesus and Moses were Jews, and that's why we have these sh***y religions still going on."
Mcalavera
Translation, Christianity and Judaism are horrible and still exist because they were created by Jews. Explain how that is not an ad hominum. And yes one can commit an ad hominum against a group, not just individuals.

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