Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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I think an autistic commune could last as long as it can defend itself from state power.

About two months, then...

Seeing as how I addressed that in my post as well, you should learn to read. It's a classic defense of Marxists, to pick on the details while refusing to see that the core of their philosophy is a rotten fairy tale which generates misery.

Kind of like Scientology but far, far, far worse.



It is true that socialism/communism has not been attempted before in an environment where automation of labor has reached the point where people don't HAVE to work. However, such an environment only exists in Star Trek: TNG, which is coincidentally filled with magical evolved ubermensch instead of the humanity as we know it today.

It never ceases to amaze me how people reaping the full benefits of capitalism, people living in countries where even the poor have cars and cellphones and Internet, find something to complain about and look for a "better" system. Worst of all, the systems they look for are delusional pipe dreams that are far worse than capitalism, the gross total sum of which brought forth amazing results when it comes to technology, medical health, and yes, even saving the environment.



Slavery isn't an inherent part of capitalism, as time has clearly proven. It's an embarassing part of some countries' past, but capitalism has nothing to do with it. Feudalism - maybe. Nice try though.



Capitalism gives equal opportunity, not equal result. This is the key to generating competition that results in you have 4 brands of "bread" when you come to Safeway. Everyone's trying to outdo everyone else, and as result, prices drop and quality of products improves. If equal results and equal pay was guaranteed, you'd get the USSR, where nobody bothered to work, and we had no concept of "brands" or "convenience".

Um no, most communes throughout history have lasted a lot longer than you would expect considering the fact that most are like pockets of anarchy in the middle of a state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune#No ... f_communes

The Twin Oaks Community (started in 1967) are still around today.

And how many of these have successfully defended themselves against state power?

If they are "pockets of anarchy" in the middle of a state, then they exist at the mercy of that state...

Not all defense is physical force. I never said many communes can defend themselves with physical force. Pacifism can go a long ways.

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Whenever I mention communes the right wing responds with Jim Jones.

Communism fails whenever it exists.

Communism works great in heaven.

Cults can't be communes. Communes are non-hierarchical.

There is a proposal to have a 2 class society consisting of the Choosers and the Chosen but which class is higher?

Hmmmm, this looks like a proposal for statism.

Capitalism is actively depriving me of medical care right now. This is personal. This country needs mutual aid. Technology comes from science, not capitalism. Is it unreasonable to seek a system that doesn't violate principles of autonomy?

And capitalism saving the environment? Are you nuts? Capitalism is the pipe dream, the idea that we can sustain infinite growth without chocking our selfs.

Let me see if I have this right. You need some kind of medical care, but you can't afford it. So you expect someone else to buy it for you? And you are annoyed that you are not getting what you need for free, just because you need it? Did I get that right?

ruveyn

There would be no need to buy things if you could just take them.

You are advocating theft? Did I get that right?

No surprise. A socialist is a thief with a fancy justification.

ruveyn