Paula Deen and Racism

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It was a reference to the Daily Show joke from last week, is that what you're referring to when you say "liberals" ?

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv ... 6965.story

There have been things coming out about Deen that seem as unsavory as her butter Popsicles. Such as catering an Antebellum wedding reception for her brother - complete with an all black waiter staff playing slaves. Sure, it can be argued that this is the history of the south - but so was the genocide of Native Americans in my part of the country, the Pacific Northwest, but I can't imagine glorifying that would be acceptable.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

97% of English speaking America has dropped a few N bombs in their lifetime or they will at some time.
The other 3% lie about it.
Next....

Oh, do you get all your information from the TV? But to answer your question, I quit TV twenty years ago. Consequently, I have no choice but to get my information from books.

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Why did you commit genocide against the Indians? Or are you talking about those Other Bad White People? Do you have a guilty conscience? Or are you trying to show how superior you are to other white people by doing a little moral preening?

You do know that the term cracker is in reference to poor white people??It's true that she most likely has killed off quite a few with those butter rich dishes.You can eat that way a couple days a week and get away with it.I'm sure they died happy,in fact I'm going to eat some crowder peas with bacon,cornbread cooked with bacon grease,and some wilted lettuce that has been scalded with bacon grease.And I am going to put some butter on that cornbread.But I don't eat that every day.Tomorrow will be just veggies.No bacon
It's possible she will flip this like Martha Stewart did.She was also suppose to be a terror to work for.Anthony Bourdain and her have been sparring at each other for awhile.
The wedding plan seems tasteless,you could do a Southern theme without using slavery as part of it.
I just wonder why it is ok to use racial remarks toward whites?If I worked for someone and they called me a honky,I doubt they would get in trouble for it.

I think you're well aware that I did not commit genocide on the American Indians anymore than you did. And no, I feel no guilt for that atrocity, and I don't assign guilt to any living white person. In fact, plenty of white people in the old west played no direct role in those crimes. But the fact remains, it would at the very least be distasteful to celebrate such a thing in this day and age, and cruel and racist at it's worst. Same thing with Paula Deen putting on an Antebellum era marriage reception for her brother. Slavery was indefensible, just as genocide was, and neither should be celebrated as "the good old days."

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Don't celebrate just yet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Misslizard, all this talk about the toxicity of Southern food is just one more component of the psychological ethnic warfare against Southern culture in general. And like the rest of that technique, the charge that Southern food is uniquely toxic is half true at best.

As for Deen's show, I've never watched it. But years ago there used to be a famous chef on TV named Julia Child. Even when I was a kid I used to cringe at how much butter and cream she used. And she was hardly Southern. In fact, I believe she was a good liberal.

Is Mexican food any better, especially considering the authentic items makes, uh, liberal use of lard? How about Chinese stir fry slathered in oils of unknown provenance? Is it really any better when the Chinese stir fry things than when Southerners do it? Is Southern food really less healthy than, say, Taco Bell or pizza or cheeseburgers?

There are healthy ways of eating Southern cuisine; I know, I do it as part of my aspie diet. Most of what I eat is fried, though in healthy olive oils, or comes off my barbecue pit. Nor are Southern delicacies such as collard greens and okra, or black-eye peas or pinto beans, in any way toxic, and I eat them all on a regular basis. In fact, I eat Southern food every day and I'm far healthier and skinnier than when I lived on fast food and other restaurant fare.

All we can hope for is that our liberal critics decide to replace their ignorance and fear with the respect that comes from knowledge and understanding.

Perhaps you aren't aware of this fact, but MissLizard is herself a southerner living in a southern state. I hardly think there's a war on southern food in particular, as criticism for mid-western food fried in lard is also very common. Food anywhere in the country will probably kill you, given time. To say that this is politically inspired sounds a bit too thin skinned.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'm not celebrating I'm cheer-leading, something I've been angrily accused of and I need to do it at least once in a while just to perpetuate the butthurt of the accuser.

Who's accusing anyone of anything? I didn't accuse Paula Deen of racism - just that she was rather insensitive.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, I meant someone on WP (not you) accused me of cheer-leading (and trolling ) last year or before so I have to take the opportunity to do it once in a while.

But at my expense.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Why did you bring the alleged genocide of Indians up? Am I supposed to feel so guilty that I'm willing to relinquish the traditions of my forbears?

Yes, my ancestors owned slaves, and I don't feel a twinge of guilt either; I'm proud of my Southern heritage even if slavery was a bad idea (though for the same reasons immigration is a bad idea). And anybody who takes the time to study Southern history understands why I feel the way I do. Knowledge does indeed dispel ignorance and fear.

For example, my hands-down favorite historian of the South is Eugene Genovese, who wrote the seminal work on American slavery, and spent most of his academic career as an unreconstructed Marxist. Genovese's rationale for studying the antebellum South is that it is one of the few examples of a Western, modern, non-liberal and non-bourgeois (as in anti-capitalist) society. Genovese, the son of Italian immigrants, became so enamored with Southern culture that he gave up the Ivy League to teach at Emory in Atlanta, Georgia. Again, ignorance dispels irrational fears.

Though I don't know the specifics of Indian policy in the Pacific Northwest, I do know that no genocide occurred. The Indians were Stone Age peoples warring against the most technologically advanced people on earth--i.e., The Americans. Had Americans really wished to wipe out the Indians, there wouldn't be any around today.

I will agree that the north, the home of American liberalism, came far closer to genocide of their Indian populations than did the anti-liberal South. The tribes of New England in particular were almost completely decimated whereas those in the South were given land in Oklahoma, where their descendants still reside. And this is just as true in the southwestern United States, which has huge Indian reservations all through it. If earlier Americans really wanted to wipe out the Indians, why were they given so much land, at least in the less liberal parts of the country?

Since I feel no more guilt for slavery than you feel for the "genocide" of your Indians, I'm wondering why you brought these two matters up. I've found that for the leftist the issue is never really the issue; there always seems to be something ulterior. What are you really getting at?

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