Muslims need to start drinking alcohol

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Your welcome.

In fairness there is a cider revival in the US.

It is really hard to find proper dry cider in UK, the market has been flooded by false history brands. "Dry" or "Dedium Dry" are mostly code for sweet as hell and carbonated. It is just some Somerset, and Normandy ciders, that have passed muster so far. I tried a Swedish one recently, big mistake.

My theory is, the reason why people drink these candy ciders, is because they really want to drink alchopops, but they are too old to get away with that.

I'm unable to drink beer, so finding proper cider is a must for me. Personally I often find white wine sickly. Not knocking it just isn't for me. I like red wine better. Wine is really for having with good food.

I don't mind some spirits like brandy, whiskey, and gin (which is technically a flavored vodka, but much better than most commercial vodkas).

The ones who live in the West might as well quit drinking instead, to be frank. All the crazy things they done when inebriated...

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Former British colonies? When you consider what we did to the natives in America and Australia as far as getting them hooked on booze goes, we probably tried the same crap in Africa, as well.

The British also don't trust someone who doesn't drink. It's a really big deal to go teetotal in this country if you're not Muslim.

In the USA the leading cause of death on Indian reservations are cirrosis of the liver, car crashes, drunkeness, and alcohol poisoning, all caused by the consumption of alcohol- which the Indians didnt have until the Europeans invaded the New World.

The leading causes of death in White Americans are: emphesyma, and lung cancer, and other things caused by cigarettes- made from tobacco - which Europeans didnt have until they Invaded the New World and got it from the American Indian.

Half of Nigeria is ROP, though.

I wouldn't shun anyone who doesn't drink, but I probably would not normally have a vast amount in common with them either. Definitely if they're ROP or some loopy Christian fringe that doesn't drink, or bloody temperance morons.

I'm not a huge drinker, I drink socially. But I usually have 3 at the most.

When I'm eating I drink more.

Sometimes I go out with my friends and I don't feel like drinking alcohol, and I don't care if they do.

My problem is I can't drink beer, so it depends what else they have got.

I don't drink to get off my head.

What the H is 'ROP'?

I was thinking about how the northern two thirds of Nigeria is the region of the Hausa tribe who are Muslim- which would mean that the biggest part of Nigeria is actually dry. So the pagan, and Christian groups on the southern coast (like the Ibo, and Yoruba) must do ALOT of boozing to make up for the Hausa to put the whole country in the dark shade on that map!

When America was a British colony it was really a think strip on the east coast, a bunch of loosely joined colonies. Much of the indoctrination of natives was done but religious people, many of the puritan (not exclusively from UK), it is fair to say they didn't have drinking culture. But regardless what evidence do you have that there was an effort to make natives alcoholics? I wouldn't even say that of post independence history.

The drinking of aboriginals undoubtedly had to do with the deprivation and social breakdown, and it being available rather than a concerted effort to get them hooked on alcohol.

There are many ways of looking at that map, you can make a bunch of assumption which are not necessarily true.

Remember alcohol is not new, people have been making alcohol out of things like honey, tubers and spit, fermented fruit, etc for thousands of years. In fact, Many animal eat thing that make them drunk. Langur monkeys fall out of trees they get so drunk.

The UK didn't exist when the Americas were British.

"Religion of Peace" - sarcastic term for Islam/Muslim. Specially with Boko Haram and so on and so forth.

I knew a Yoruba woman once at work who would confirm what you said.

To be pedantic 1776 was the Declaration of Independence. The Acts of Union were 1707.

So it did exist if for 69 years.

I think people would trade with the natives and would offer whiskey for fur, baskets, etc. That was the later American settlers heading West though, rather than the British, but most of those settlers were of British descent ( a lot of them Scots, iirc - hence the whiskey and the Baptist/Presbyterian religion.) It's favourable economically to have your trading partner dependant on what you're trading with them. Obviously, the freak accident of Native Americans being prone to alcoholism couldn't be foreseen, but it probably didn't go unnoticed. The same thing happened in South America with some of the Amazon tribes, who were in fact already making their own type of alcohol in a lot of cases, but the colonisers were distilling rum and selling it to the natives in exchange for precious materials like rainforest medicines and rubber.

You're right that the addiction of the Aboriginal Australians perhaps wasn't deliberately caused - but I would argue the social isolation and discrimination against them was deliberate. As with ripping off natives to get precious materials, alcohol helped in getting the native Australians away from their land.

Alcohol isn't new but distilling something to drink is fairly new. Rum and whisky aren't as ancient as beer and wine (although whisky is at least Medieval and weaker versions of rum - sugar wine - are quite ancient, the distilled version of rum is only about 300 years old.)

That is kind of what I'm saying the social breakdown was a more important factor than the supply. As many ingenious cultures took mind altering substances for thousands of years.

Having lived in many former colonies British and Portuguese. I have heard all these colonial arguments before. Yes they had an impact, but some countries picked themselves off the ground and are now thriving.

I just think it is over simplistic to blame all these problems on British, and the previous culture weren't always wiped out.

Some people's idea of colonialism is British or European. They don't talk of the Islamic Emirates, Ottomans, Romans, Genghis Khan, etc. many, many examples, old and not so old.

Peoples' idea of slavery is the Western imperialism, not the stuff currently going on in the Arabian Peninsular, Africa, Asia, etc. It is not the human traffic, into out countries with gang from eastern Europe, Africa, Asia they are talkign about, .

In fact The British bought from African slave owners in some cases. Slavery was common place in Africa, and still prevalent in North Africa.

Don't get me wrong it was awful, I just think that the current generation is expected to feel guilty for something that wasn't their fault.

There have been several official apologies for colonialism. what does it actually mean all those years on? If it was still current that is a different matter.