Questions to Ask About the Illuminati

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I thought the money was in 2012 and reptiles now.

It is not a joke. The fact that so many people accept conspiracy theories is an awful social problem. Demonstrating that the Illuminati conspiracy is total nonsense is serious business.

I was born on 060660 and have been described as the devil in my small fundamentalist 'Christian' town over numbers at the grocery store. buying beer when younger...

I do logic battle with the preachers in my area that try to say homosexuality is demon of mind. They can not defeat my logic.

There is a study that shows that some people are more vulnerable to conspiracy theories than others; I am not so it is hard for
me to empathize with that problem. I have studied this in detail in my online travels; I often find myself as the only one seeing
the details.

The less I close my mind to potential the greater the light becomes. Part of my journey to light was overcoming the fear
instilled by others to my subconscious mind over the 666 number, blocking me from pursing the knowledge of the occult.

The church killed Christ but it is coming back. The fear remains for those that are not comfortable moving out of a box of
tradition.

Most ironically many 'Christians' are afraid of the true light of Christ.
They call it Lucifer. Light has no name but Light. It is a Universal force.
The L for L is a metaphor. Of course anyone can call it what they will.

Fnord, in effect, Illuminati is the bright light of Christ in the world; people finding a path
to it whatever way works for them. The internet; freedom of speech; that now is shared
by more is a Key to Spiritual Enlightenment.

The fact that Babel is #1 for the Grammy with 4 guys singing the same song of the real 'Christ'
is evidence that the change is happening; a return to the light for the world, as it was before
the Church stole it away from the ancients.

That is not to say that some churches do not follow the true path of Christ.

My grandfather was a Catholic Priest; who fought against the Labyrinth of structure that is prison
for freedom of soul. He did not move past protestant; I understand completely now that was not
far enough. There is Will, Way, and Love toward light. Blocking the way of anyone is the sin.

I would be worried someone might hurt me but the view of what I am doing as insanity by many
is a golden shield for me. This is what protects the truth, as many people are afraid of the real light of Christ.

The Church drove a 'stake' through his heart.

My feeling is that the cultural meme of vampires; zombies;
is a desperate call to bring that light back
from a supraorganism of soul that is screaming for light;
to move away from the darkness that is this world.

The occult is considered an evil thing;
Avoiding the mysteries of life and blocking mind
is the negative not the positive.

It has never been hard for me to see that even what remains
in the New Testament is voice to path of true will for one for heaven/bliss
in this life not another.

Many churches transformed Jesus into a Golden Idol. It is obvious that is the last thing those teaching asked for in that book.

It is lust for power to restrict a human to any one message that is not true for their will of way.

In effect, Christianity has been lost to a dark force away from liberty of mind and search for true will for each one for centuries.

It is no more that the mysteries can be hidden as the information highway provides an even playing field of minds,
where words are
swords
and fists do not exist.

Think about it;
anyone could be the weakest person in the world;
and have the most powerful words of all.

I could never enjoy it
until my eye pain went away
for the most part.

But all those years of pain fuel the fire that is my words now.
As long as Alex keeps the server lit up they live forever.

And the thousands of other places where these words go on to live on servers.

The word was lost to TV but is coming back with a vengeance as metaphor in the E-World.

This conversation will be the number one hit on Google for a while to come.
The fear of the Illuminati will take people to our conversation for years to come.

That is true will and power of mind and word.

I watch the details beautifully as reality unfolds. As many people are
are literally giving their lives to bring that light back.

If you do so, you better do your homework.. otherwise what are you basing your opinion on?

You are actually jumping to the conclusion you have been conditioned to jump to. The really ironic part is I used to be a skeptic myself... I didn't understand how the whole thing could be as immense as it is.... and that is how they keep it secret. We can't imagine it because all aspects of our lives are controlled and filtered.

It is easy to come to the
conclusion
that it is an organized effort
when one sees the beauty of the
supraorganism of mind that is man.
It defies logic;

because most people do not understand
fully how logic works.

Time, Space and distance is an illusion.

In effect viewing the results of
what looks like an organized effort
is actually proof that time,
distance and space is an illusion.

We all are connected to that supraorganism
of mind;
when one clearly sees the way it
works it is very hard to feel
alone or not loved.

It is hard to explain
the bliss when one
understands
the higher logic of reality.

It is truly a divine comedy.

The essence of the Universe
is a laugh.

That is the best way to describe
the meaning of all life, that I see on my path.

Humans in effect create this cultural illusion
and the creative minds that are the
shamans of our society
who write the words for actor as copycat;
fall into the trance
of creativity that
moves past time
space and distance
reflecting
what we illude
past, present
now before
now present
past.

It's hard
to describe it
that way until
one sees it that way.

If one gets good enough
at it they can literally write
in reverse, forward, present past
now.

I cannot disprove a negative. You are also shifting the burden of proof (a logical fallacy). It is not my job to investigate someone's conspiracy theory.

If you have a legitimate source (not a YouTube video and not an alternative "news" website), I will consider it.



If you accepted the Illuminati conspiracy, you were not a skeptic.

How can you know it's a negative if you don't explore it? You are assuming it's a negative... that shows how we have gotten into this mess. We are all consumed with enjoying life or attaining the American dream.. and we have all been kept in the dark in the meantime. Do you see how using that terminology "conspiracy theory" shows you have already been conditioned?



The legitimate sources are controlled... THAT is the "conspiracy" so how do you get "legitimate" sources if the "legitimate" sources aren't legit?

There are a couple "legit" sources here though.. these were made by one of the most respected aviation journalists in the industry...

This is a video created by a highly respected journalist that happens to be on Youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awP9HNPCv40

Here is a book he wrote on this subject matter...

http://vielewelten.at/pdf_en/the%20hunt ... 0point.pdf



You have been conditioned again... shouldn't conspiracy theorists be considered the ultimate skeptics? History shows that conspiracies and abusing the masses are a constant thing... why would things be any different now?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EhqP2yl0Dk[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EhqP2yl0Dk

Here is a good description of Light
The principles of the real Illuminati.

They ring true,
even inmelody
voice.

One can not hide hate
in the timbre of voice,
or word.

As I view it...

I did not realize there is
also aorganized religion
associated called Meism
until one finds this video.

Every wordisame;
Oneallexperience
lifelight is present.

Where there is hate there can be no 'Christ' light.
Loving unconditionally without judgement islight

Some people are born that way; Iamborn thatway

You said that you were a skeptic, and you do not know what it means to disprove a negative?



That is a right-wing conspiracy theory. For instance, I can turn around and say, "All of your sources of information are controlled." What have I proven? Nothing. An absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence.



Aviation journalists are an authority on an Illuminati conspiracy? Again, I thought you were a skeptic.



Viral YouTube videos are the problem. I am not interested in Illuminati videos.



That is a personal narrative, not a peer-reviewed source.



You are correct. My "conditioning" (also known as education) trained me to ignore conspiracy theories.

I know that a true skeptic questions everything...



You still haven't answered the question of how you get "legit evidence" when the system is corrupt. If you don't look to alternative sources you can never find the truth...



What he discovered is one example of the evidence of how our society is controlled.... it affects all walks of life so why not an aviation journalist?



Information is a problem? Again.. don't you see how you have been conditioned?



Look at your terminology... it's the terminology of the brainwashed... "peer reviewed" as you mean it means that only people who have been indoctrinated by the system are allowed... anyone that doesn't conform to the system couldn't get high in it... YOU are the peer reviewing this information. We all are.. that is true peer review.



So highly respected aviation journalists are conspiracy theorists now too? Where is the peer review process for conspiracy theories by the way?

That is not what I meant by not being able to prove a negative. It would be like me asking you, "Prove that you are not an insurance salesman!" Obviously, I would be asking you to prove a negative.



"Corrupt" is a value judgment. It can be based on evidence collected through various means, including legitimate academic research and investigative journalism (not alternative news media).



That is much too vague. Which society? Controlled by whom? What are the names of these people, their specific actions, and the methods they use control particular people? Is everyone controlled, or only certain types of individuals? Who are they? What is the evidence for a relationship between the behavior of those specific people and the controlling actions of other specific individuals?



Yes, I agreed with you. I am conditioned. It was very expensive for me to receive the conditioning (education), too. I didn't finish paying off my student loans until I was well into my 40s.



Brainwashing (Lifton's thought reform model) is now mostly a popular culture concept. It has rarely been used in serious academic discussions since the 1950s.



I suppose they could be. It is very easy to fall into conspiracy theorizing. It makes life appear to work much more simply than it does in reality.

The popularity of conspiracy theorists among so many people online, many of whom can barely string together words into a grammatical sentence, is evidence that lots of brains are not required to understand the Illuminati conspiracy.

We already went over this... you are assuming that there is no conspiracy - that is the negative. I am asking you to look at the facts before you determine it's a negative.



WTF? This makes absolutely no sense.... You completely dodged the issue or ou need to do a much better job explaining yourself...



The entire planet... This is a group or groups that are international.



The elite - they became elite because they are an organization that infiltrates all walks of society at the highest level and work together or this purpose. The methods are discussed earlier in the thread. They use all methods - legal and illegal. What methods are used to enforce the laws in any "organization"? Another way I have herd it described is that the lie is different at every level. Just like here in the US the general population is working under the belief that we invaded Iraq because of WMD or 9-11. But people at the next stage may be working under a completely different lie.... which is why they have been convinced to look away as our civil liberties are eroded.



You are asking to explain the details of a secret organization... it's like asking people during WWII outside of Nazi Germany to explain how the German people were convinced to follow along with the Nazis... even now we may not fully know the truth.



In my case the evidence I have uncovered shows that advanced technologies are being withheld from the general population. Technologies that could have changed the world 50 years ago....

As I said earlier in this thread when I followed a thread all though history and came to the conclusions I did about these technologies... conclusions I haven't seen the general population come to I discovered that the few people who claimed to know of this technology today ended up dead or disappearing in mysterious ways. Because there are so many stories that go around, though, people don't know how important these incidents are though... to other people they don' know what is truth or fiction anymore. That is what disinformation does....



And this is why people can't afford to buck the system.... this is why people in essence become slaves. his is how brainwashing works... You don't dare to think differently because of the ramifications. You don't dare to even go down the road of "conspiracy theories" because the whole subject has been demonized. You vastly under estimate the power of our governments...



I wonder why that might be....



How will you know if you don't look at the evidence?



Who said it was simple? It's anything but... we have been led to believe life is simple. We are being kept in the dark. We have been kept in suspended animation since the 50s...



You are generalizing. The guy who made that documentary and wrote the book is a very bright guy. What you have to realize is that secrets can only be kept so long... eventually the truth starts leaking out... that's where we are right now.. That's what this journalist saw..... From what I have seen the more the truth leaks out the more our true government will reveal itself. Which is why 9-11 happened... they knew the truth could only be kept secret for so long. 9-11 was done when it was because they have to control things before they fully leak.

They use things like false flag terrorism to control things the way they want... because if they didn't they would lose power. They are trying to maintain the status quo... The status quo is them having total control.

GODWIN'S LAW

Godwin's law doesn't apply to a discussion about conspiracies... They need to make a law for someone bringing up Godwin's law to try to dodge the Nazis being definitive proof that conspiracies DO happen...

Do people think they are any different than the people of WWII? It seems people have actually gotten dumber since then not less gullible. People also forget that many of the people of that era supported the Nazis and their agendas at that time.

Do you guys know how the Nazis justified what they were doing in WWII? They claimed that if they didn't develop the "Aryan" race someone else would... so they said they had to do it to insure their survival. Does that sound familiar? It does to me... you see the same kinds of justifications for the things the government is doing now... FEAR mongering.

Ensure

It applies to ANY on-line discussion.


Since Godwin's Law has been fulfilled, this thread is no longer relevant to the original topic.

Thanks a lot, Cal.