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02 Dec 2013, 3:01 pm

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You are so full of sh**. The harrassment Sarkeesian has recieved has been well documented. It's also hardly an iolated instance. It's consistant with the kind of response other women get whenever they dare call out sexism and harassment from gamers and game culture. I take it you mean it's only genuine if she really did get raped/killed in which case you can't deny that plenty of your ilk would celebrate it.


The 'harrassment' Sarkeesian claims to have received has been well exaggerated in order to garner attention for her vapid, ill-researched videos.

How many were arrested following these genuine threats? What precisely do you mean by "your ilk"? The suggestion that I would celebrate any misfortune suffered by someone whose viewpoints are not the same as my own is, frankly, pathetic and laughable in equal measure. Perhaps there's a bit of projection going on here.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
You don't agree with thier ideology therefore, they = nazi. :roll:
For a videogame nerd, you sure don't know sh** about internet culture clearly.


Ah, I'm a videogame nerd now - whatever that means. Also, you appear to believe that 'Godwin's Law' is that "Calling someone a feminazi automatically renders your opinions invalid.". Interesting interpretation, and amazing avoidance of the question.

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Coulda been worse. I could have called them Nazis. :wink: Enjoy your blue balls...........


In addition to being a videogame nerd (which I'm sure isn't an attempt at using offensive stereotypes on your part) I'm what? A virgin? Incapable of finding satisfaction with a partner? Are you seriously defending a feminist commentator by using a gendered insult in a playground attack on my manhood?

Well thanks for the concern and for your touching words, but fear not for my balls are quite, quite healthy.



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02 Dec 2013, 3:03 pm

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Why don't she and some Feminists get together and make their own video games?

Maybe with themes like "Shoot the MGTOW", or "Make the Man do the Housework."


Those who can, do. Those who can't, moan that those that can aren't doing it right.



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02 Dec 2013, 3:18 pm

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Common traits of a "female" personality type is being vain, spoiled, bratty, moody and quick to anger.


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02 Dec 2013, 3:27 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJCCnued6c[/youtube]

It seems that with each passing day more and more information comes to light about how much of a con this all really was. gg Anita. gg.

Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPIu3...
Link to Cubex55: http://www.youtube.com/user/cubex55

UPDATE: Seems Flying Turkey, the youtube user that originally posted the Anita clip is attempting to claim this is all some elaborate troll. Not sure how that works but here is the actual video source itself: http://vimeo.com/13216819

It was uploaded 3 years ago. It has one like by Feminist Frequency. The portion you'll want to look at is around the 12:40 mark in the video. As you can see she made the statements. Nothing has been altered or edited. To put this into a timeline for you her kickstarter began around a year ago. This video is three years old. She has made countless claims of being a lifelong gamer yet just a few years ago she claims to not be a fan of gaming and not being into it. The evidence speaks for itself.


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02 Dec 2013, 4:11 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Why don't she and some Feminists get together and make their own video games?

Maybe with themes like "Shoot the MGTOW", or "Make the Man do the Housework."

The Sims series of games has a majority of female gamers, and it is highly successful. This does not fit well within Anita Sarkeesians framework, though, so we'd better ignore it.



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02 Dec 2013, 6:22 pm

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You seem to have missed the point. Apologies if you were joking.

She isn't complaining about female characters being identifiable as female- there would be no point if they weren't- but rather about their personality being "female", or being wholly reliant on a male character (e.g. Mrs Pacman).


So if a female character is wearing, most of the time, lipstick and earrings (or even a bow), it's ok, so long as she is her own individual, rather than an extension of a male character?

That sounds too subjective, though.



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02 Dec 2013, 8:04 pm

sephardic-male wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJCCnued6c[/youtube]

It seems that with each passing day more and more information comes to light about how much of a con this all really was. gg Anita. gg.

Link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPIu3...
Link to Cubex55: http://www.youtube.com/user/cubex55

UPDATE: Seems Flying Turkey, the youtube user that originally posted the Anita clip is attempting to claim this is all some elaborate troll. Not sure how that works but here is the actual video source itself: http://vimeo.com/13216819

It was uploaded 3 years ago. It has one like by Feminist Frequency. The portion you'll want to look at is around the 12:40 mark in the video. As you can see she made the statements. Nothing has been altered or edited. To put this into a timeline for you her kickstarter began around a year ago. This video is three years old. She has made countless claims of being a lifelong gamer yet just a few years ago she claims to not be a fan of gaming and not being into it. The evidence speaks for itself.


First of all, if you're going write a post, then at least write something yourself rather than being lazy and copy-pasting text from somewhere else on the internet. Absolutely everything that you've written there has been copy-pasted from the video description in the low-bar of that video on Youtube.

Secondly, you do realise that Anita hasn't done anything illegal right? The use of the video footage that she took from those let's plays is not only covered under "fair use" in copyright law but purely due to the fact that they were uploaded to Youtube means that the creators agreed to Youtube's Terms of Service agreement which requires that you agree that other people can use your video footage. That being said, I did have a problem with her using the footage without citing or acknowledging when I first heard about it because it's generally considered an act of common courtesy to do so but it is still just an issue of courtesy, not a legal issue and neither does it mean that she hasn't played those games. She could of played them and then used other footage for her videos for convenience sake and to save time, so as not to play through a whole game just to record a small piece of footage in one part of the game that's only a few minutes long. The guy responsible for the Cubix55 channel on Youtube, where Anita got quite a bit of her gameplay footage from even says that their group doesn't mind if she uses that footage, they just want her to cite them. Notice that she did cite sources for the gameplay footage of her newest video, most of which was from game trailers. Again, none of this has anything whatsoever to do with whether or not some of her points are valid.

Thirdly, the guy in the video is being stupid. There is absolutely nothing that Anita has done that destroys gaming as a hobby. She was not trying to stop gamers enjoying games and even if 90% of all gamers were teenage boys 20 years, the fact that 40% of gamers are now female means that the gaming industry has to adapt to the market. That's just a fact. Doing so will not mean that gamers in the "traditional target audience" will stop enjoying the games they like simply because they are targeted and marketed towards girls as well. If anything, this will actually improve the quality of games because their storytelling will shift away from lazy writing.



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02 Dec 2013, 8:33 pm

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First of all, if you're going write a post, then at least write something yourself rather than being lazy and copy-pasting text from somewhere else on the internet. Absolutely everything that you've written there has been copy-pasted from the video description in the low-bar of that video on Youtube


it looks like you did not read my previous postings responding to anita's defenders and how anita is a scam artist and a hypocrite whining and complaining about video games she does not like. she claims to hate voilence but have no problem endorsing a fan fiction where she torture and murder a man that create video games she does not like


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Secondly, you do realise that Anita hasn't done anything illegal right? The use of the video footage that she took from those let's plays is not only covered under "fair use" in copyright law but purely due to the fact that they were uploaded to Youtube means that the creators agreed to Youtube's Terms of Service agreement which requires that you agree that other people can use your video footage.



she is not a registered charity. she refuse to say how is she using the money and if she is paying taxes on that money she is probably dodging taxes which is illegal and against the law. she should get a job like everybody else instead of whining about games she does not like


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Thirdly, the guy in the video is being stupid. There is absolutely nothing that Anita has done that destroys gaming as a hobby. She was not trying to stop gamers enjoying games and even if 90% of all gamers were teenage boys 20 years, the fact that 40% of gamers are now female means that the gaming industry has to adapt to the market. That's just a fact.


the gaming industry is a for profit industry their main goal is to make money. they are not obligated to follow the whinings and complaints of social justice whiners and hypocrites.


if you don't like the games, don't buy them


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02 Dec 2013, 8:58 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sofkf8NZ63Y[/youtube]Anita is an idiot. She cant be taken seriously because of her stupidity it led her to be attacked and trolled by both male and female members of the gaming community. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia7-vqcZThs[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL8wJvlmpRI[/youtube]


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02 Dec 2013, 9:12 pm

spot the difference

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02 Dec 2013, 9:15 pm

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02 Dec 2013, 9:45 pm

By the way, it looks to me like Justin Bieber cops more sh*t from the public than Anita does. And Bieber is no woman, right?

Right?



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02 Dec 2013, 9:48 pm

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By the way, it looks to me like Justin Bieber cops more sh*t from the public than Anita does. And Bieber is no woman, right?

Right?
If he isnt, then i guess its ok to slap him then! :lol:


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02 Dec 2013, 11:29 pm

But what if I want my character to have a big,flouncy,pink bow? :D


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03 Dec 2013, 1:29 am

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I think it's hilarious how hot and bothered some people get over this broad.

Personally, I only play video games with strong story lines and well-developed characters, so I don't run into the problem of of sexist depictions of women very often. Additionally, I'm not prone to interpreting a single character as representative of an entire group of people. For example, I didn't see Mario having to rescue Princess Peach as sexist commentary on women so much as I figured Princess Peach was really stupid for getting kidnapped all the time, and Mario was a dope for constantly going after her dumb arse.

In any event, it's really incredible the amount of flak Anita is receiving for daring to criticize the video game industry. I think the reaction to her videos are almost more worthy of discussion than the videos themselves.

Is it a case that many gamers are just the type of people who love to spew vitriol at the slightest provocation?
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It reminds me of the freak-out that started when Rebecca Watson had the audacity to say, 'Guys, don't do that.' You'd think that either of these women were advocating the wholesale castration of males and the future continuation of humanity solely by cloning the corpse of Andrea Dworkin, based on the lather that so many men got into over seemingly relatively mild criticisms.



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03 Dec 2013, 2:25 am

MCalavera wrote:
By the way, it looks to me like Justin Bieber cops more sh*t from the public than Anita does. And Bieber is no woman, right?

Right?


The jury is still out on this one.

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But what if I want my character to have a big,flouncy,pink bow? :D


Then you're a self-hating tool of the patriarchy. Probably.