US views on evolution

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I figured, I was about to tell you to get better aim.

I have no opinion on quark theory either, so somehow I need to have an opinion on subjects I know nothing about, or you call me stupid ??? Huh?

The point he's making is that evolution is basic knowledge that should be taught in schools simply because it is a fact. In most of Western Europe is is taught. However, in parts of America and some Islamic countries, evolution is treated as forbidden knowledge! This is so bizarre - it is like not teaching that the Earth revolves around the sun (apparently a number of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth! ). No wonder the Americans are slipping behind the rest of the world in terms of scientific knowledge. You do realise that this impacts on the American economy and jobs there? The Chinese economy is predicted to soon surpass that of America.

One can believe in Genesis without necessarily denying what is demonstrably real. Millions of people do. In restating DentArthurDent's point, Tallyman quite well expressed the point I was trying to make too. There is at least as much evidence for evolution (in spite of Inventor's bizarre and incorrect rant) as there is for the earth going around the sun. In other words evolution is an observed and tested fact of nature and is as much a part of reality as gravity or electricity are. Evolution quite possibly has more evidence of more different types supporting it than any other idea in science. It is the foundation of biology and a very good example of the scientific method which is why it is (or should be) taught in schools.

Oh and I don't "believe" in evolution. I accept it as a fact of nature just as I accept gravity as a fact of nature and for the same reason: overwhelming evidence that this is so. When questions about evolution are phrased in terms of belief there is no correct way to answer them. It is like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

I am not "bashing" anyone's beliefs if I say that people who insist on teaching the earth is flat are wrong. I am stating a fact. And like I said earlier in this thread, if the ignorant misinformed fundies would stop trying to dumb down everybody else's children besides their own, I wouldn't say a word (although it could be said that teaching young earth creationism to children is a form of child abuse). America is just as bad or worse as some of the Islamic countries in this regard, and many of the Christians who deny the fact of evolution also want to remake America into a Christian theocracy under the mistaken idea that this was the intention of those who founded this country. So yeah, their beliefs ARE harmful to other people. I am just standing up for truth and trying to keep my country, our species and our planet from getting hurt by their ignorance.

Most people who deny the fact of evolution are very badly misinformed about this subject because of the lies and distortions being spread by the religious right. They should be renamed the religious WRONG!

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We are primates we evolved from apes we didn't get created from mud and deal with talking snakes and magic fruit thats the way it is deal with it!

Americans may not score well internationally on educational tests, however, we will take down any foreign competitors in a food eating contest!

See here, we are #9 in the world with obesity, only the small countries can beat us because their populations are small ...

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html



It is true that evolution was not taught in schools when I attended.

However, America is lucky because very smart people want to come here.

See article, America is stealing doctors ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/magaz ... d=all&_r=0

Americans I know seems content to do service jobs.



Yes, I know Americans who joke about our new Chinese masters that are buying up the land, and businesses here.

America seems destine to be a welfare state. We will see if the expression "might makes right" holds for America. Can the military support the welfare state by "requiring" other countries to take our debt?

Extremely unlikely. Countries with strong economies tend to have the money to invest in their military. Give it 50 years and the Chinese language may be compulsory in American schools. Though at least the Americans might get a good scientific education then!

Can it end with some form of gameshow with harsher consequences and only one winner?

Thank you.

Geology shows that once there was no life, then there was life. We are related to that life, pond scum as it was.

As for how it started, just once, with complex DNA, has no answer.

After that there is a very good record, of life changing, evolving, getting destroyed nine times, with a few survivors, who at last crawl out of the oceans, and into the trees.

While mass destruction seems the driving force, in every period after, the same forms develop. The Blob, the thing with legs, the one shaped to move through water, Later the one with legs moves on land. and produces a diversity of lizards.

350 million years ago lizards are joined by insects, ants and bees from the time are identical to the current model. They appear, then do not change.

In a minor destruction 65 million years ago, most of the lizards die out, insects survive, and a small shrew like mammal appears, a proto rat. We are related, our ancestor.

60 million years later, something was kicked out of a Bonomo tribe for some Morals offense. Some girl, doing what she had been taught to do, but with a bearded pig. The other apes have no snout, nor hams. A hundred points of anatomy say we have a pig in the family tree.

The next 5 million years are spent walking around naked, with a chipped rock in one hand and a pointed stick the other. There were various models, developed by isolated family groups, Each tick of the clock was a million years, and nothing changed.

Some said, screw this. Neanderthal left Africa, went East, up through China, and those who could not keep up were left behind, the Denisovan. They left 600,000 years ago, and parted with the Denisovan 250,000 years ago.

125,000 years ago, 40 miles above Pretoria, a rock floating through the endless night of space blew a mile wide crater, sent a shock wave out at a thousand miles a second, the force was a thousand times the bomb dropped on Japan, and south Africa was in flames. The ash triggered an ice age, a long one, and those who survived, moved north.

Those who reached the middle east, could go no farther, as ice covered the mountains, and there and then is where we first find modern humans. Neanderthal were there, Erectus, and some gods. Neanderthal and Erectus were unchanged, but humans were changed.

The general story in the oldest writings say, humans were domesticated to work in the fields of the gods, and the sons of god looked upon the daughters of man, and remade the species in their own image.

For the next 75,000 years, we have no record of humans, That time period also matches the first two kingdoms of the Sumarian record. Several traditions say they worked in the fields of the gods.

50,000 years ago humans are above the Persian Gulf, the ice is melting, sea level rising, and they are using new weapons, the halfted axe, and the thrown spear. They seem to be at war with the Erectus.

By 40,000 years ago they have made it to Australia, crossing sixty miles of deep ocean, and have crossed the Caucasus Mountains to the north.

Australia did not change, but those who went north developed technology. There women bred with neanderthal, and produce what became Europeans.

Following several ice ages, the great drying that formed the Sahara, they come south again, start farming along the rivers, tell old stories to the race of men. Gilgamesh tells the Black Haired ones, that he has three ancestors, He is a man, like them, but also a child of the gods, and the wild man of the north.

They are the gods to the Black Haired, did look upon their daughters, and produced the Semites.

In Western China, the same is going on with the Chinese, who become the Han, and take over China.

History and Genetics proves the old stories are true.

Darwin had enough trouble, as did the Geologists before him, claiming a very old earth. There the two schools of thought were, very slow and gradual change, or periods of vast destruction, total change, and new types developing.

The Queen called them before her, just after the French Revolution, and said, "There will be no sudden change, just gradual change to a better state." Being denounced by the church was minor, going against the wishes of the Queen, could cost you your head. So Darwin said, things slowly evolve to a higher form.

The Geologic record says sudden change, over and over, survivors becoming new species because most of their gene pool was killed, and the same forms being taken by different species.

All of this was encoded in the DNA of the orignal ancestor, Pond Scum. It was not a local development.

If we got life recently, a few billion years ago, other life must exist, and be billions of years ahead of us.

That they should come visit, develop some domestic stock, is not unreasonable.

Marduk who became the head god did have a talking serpent with legs.

Our DNA does trace back to pond scum, apes, a lot of other things, and little of it is needed to make a human.

Most is called Junk DNA, as it serves no current material purpose. Recent studies show it is not random junk, but a complex mathematical code, Just like pond scum had us in it's DNA, there is a lot left to our program.

Evolution is teaching that accidental mud evolution created us and there is no grander Universe.

Teaching the children that life means nothing, is just an accident, is the worst crime.

I don't have time to respond to your post in detail, Inventor, so for now I will just say that it is classic pseudoscientific bullplop. You have mixed in a few sciencey terms with stuff you have essentially made up in order to make the rubbish you have made up seem credible. Humans are not particularly closely related to pigs. Species do evolve over time rather than emerging and staying as they are. And as for there being gods on Earth, I'd like to see some evidence. Oh wait, there isn't any.

Garbage. In fact, you've contradicted yourself!

Catastrophism was the dominant scientific idea in the 19th century. The evidence doesn't support it, and Queen Victoria was not the Queen of Hearts. Even if she was, Darwin is essentially redundant today. People don't look to Darwin for truth, it just so happens his views were similar to our current best understanding.


That's not true.

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The last chart in the OP would be much more meaningful if it attempted to explain why Republicans feel the way they do on evolution. The chart as presented implies there are a fixed number of Republicans in the U.S, and they have moved towards creationism. I believe this is not the case. I suspect there are fewer Republicans than in 2009, and that they have gone very far to the right. The same can probably be said about Democrats.

Does the Pew Research Center determine who is a "Republican" based on registration data, or based on self-identification? Some states do not even allow you to register for a political party.

The educational backwardness of the U.S. actually makes perfect sense if you consider the geographic disparities in education. Public education financing tends to be based on local property taxes, so rich neighborhoods will always have more resources than poorer ones. States on the coast tend to have much better test scores than states in the interior, which drag our national results down. The state and federal governments can correct for these disparities, but this is often resisted. The U.S. has an extremely strong culture of local control and financing for schools. Couple a wildly unequal education system with a world class and selective higher education system, and you are bound to have further disparities.

Not everybody cares about facts and being technically correct. Think back to your school days and think about how many people were really engaging in learning the facts. Not that many percentage-wise. People are very investing in following the party line within their social group. Why wouldn't people who are fundamentalist Christians favor social truth over science? The superintendent of my local school (also a Baptist) spoke out against teaching evolution in schools, in public, took political action. Why? Because he is a Baptist.

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