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20 Jan 2014, 9:09 am

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lol yeah if only America were more like Shanghai:


Do some research.

The vast majority of environmental regulations are just garbage with no basis in science. Most of them are aimed at CONSUMERS while turning a blind eye to stuff truly harmful to the environment.

R-134a, which replaced R-12, is a good example. In theory, it was more "ozone safe" but there was no proof that it was not more safe than R-12. Even then, how R-12 (or R-134a) gets up to the ozone level was largely unexplained. The cost difference between the two was staggering, and the mandate to "recover" all unused refrigerant was expensive to everyone involved, but ultimately absorbed by the end consumer. In contrast, there are many industrial chemicals 10-100 times more harmful that were completely unregulated.

"Saving the environment" was a ruse. It was about making a new boogieman to pour money at...not about actually saving the environment.



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20 Jan 2014, 9:39 am

Based on recent news about the NSA, it seems like the US already is in the middle of a cold war with everyone outside of the English-speaking world. We've made great technological progress in last decade. I wonder if that's related to the NSA.



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20 Jan 2014, 12:05 pm

Mike1 wrote:
Based on recent news about the NSA, it seems like the US already is in the middle of a cold war with everyone outside of the English-speaking world. We've made great technological progress in last decade. I wonder if that's related to the NSA.


Considering that our Navy is floating around doing joint ops with the Chinese Navy (with China being arguably the biggest up-and-coming military power that we could potentially have to contend with), I'd say we're not in Cold War with them.
Also, no one is shooting down the AWACS planes that we have flying around and collecting signals in international airspace, so we're nowhere near the danger level that intelligence personnel (particularly ones who were involved with aerial reconnaissance, though ship-based intelligence platforms and the sailors who operated them were also targeted) experienced during the Cold War.
We maintain a very strong defense and we (along with many of our allies and many countries who are not our allies) maintain a close watch over the goings on in the world, as is only prudent in my opinion.



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20 Jan 2014, 12:20 pm

The trick is is that the Soviets would have never actually nuked us. They had the capacity, they made threats, but they never actually did anything. We need a Cold War like that, where both sides have a tense rivalry but never actually nuke each other. We just need something comparable to us to have a rivalry with. We may not even need another war. But the public would need to think China is evil and vice versa. It's like Batman and the Joker. You can't have one without the other.


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20 Jan 2014, 1:16 pm

modcom77 wrote:
The trick is is that the Soviets would have never actually nuked us. They had the capacity, they made threats, but they never actually did anything. We need a Cold War like that, where both sides have a tense rivalry but never actually nuke each other. We just need something comparable to us to have a rivalry with. We may not even need another war. But the public would need to think China is evil and vice versa. It's like Batman and the Joker. You can't have one without the other.

A cold war still won't solve anything in the long term. Unless you're proposing a cold war for the remaining existence of the US... The people will be unified against a common enemy, and current unsolved issues won't be solved, they'll just get ignored in the face of bigger problems. It just creates problems to fix, rather than fixing the ones we have. There are better ways to create jobs and accelerate technological progress, I think...



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20 Jan 2014, 4:59 pm

modcom77 wrote:
The trick is is that the Soviets would have never actually nuked us. They had the capacity, they made threats, but they never actually did anything. We need a Cold War like that, where both sides have a tense rivalry but never actually nuke each other. We just need something comparable to us to have a rivalry with. We may not even need another war. But the public would need to think China is evil and vice versa. It's like Batman and the Joker. You can't have one without the other.


They didn't nuke us, but "they never actually did anything" isn't accurate. They shot down our surveillance planes and killed a lot of Americans in doing so; read about the C-130 (flight 60528) that was shot down in 1958. Hell, things are tense enough when we aren't even involved in a war, just looking in on it-- read about the USS Liberty incident and the lives lost there.

War is hell and people die-- whether or not it seems "cold" to the people back home who aren't having to serve in it. The only reason to go to war is because there is no other logical way to fight an immoral enemy. Profiting monetarily off of people's deaths is never a reason to go to war. You show your youth and naivete in your desire to engage in a war that doesn't kill "as many" people simply because you want the US to profit monetarily from it.



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21 Jan 2014, 12:25 pm

Wars (whether cold, world, civil or fictional) are good for the United States because the one area of federal spending in which the Executive Branch has a largely free hand to inject money into the economy is in the area of defense spending.

The military-industrial complex isn't just a political phenomenon. It is one of the largest--if not the largest--class of transfers that government makes to private hands.

And when you don't have a war, then Congress turns the taps off, so Presidents have less capacity to inject money into the economy.


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